Sep 29 13:23:14 <Prod>    Ok, as everyone that needs to be here is here, we shall begin
Sep 29 13:23:22 <Prod>    Thank you all for coming
Sep 29 13:23:24 <Skizzerz>    uh, we need Procyon
Sep 29 13:23:28 <Rocky>    i NEED to be here?
Sep 29 13:23:30 <Prod>    he's not around :/
Sep 29 13:23:35 <Rocky>    k
Sep 29 13:23:38 <DrBob>    And ech's absent as usual
Sep 29 13:23:38 <Skizzerz>    then what's the point of this meeting?
Sep 29 13:23:43 <Lunar>    What exactly are we going to discuss?
Sep 29 13:23:44 <Prod>    for the 5 of us
Sep 29 13:23:54 <Rocky>    big no.
Sep 29 13:24:09 <Prod>    we have 3 topics + 1 optional topic
Sep 29 13:24:12 <Skizzerz>    this meeting was originally planned for discussion of the branding
Sep 29 13:24:20 <Lunar>    ...branding?
Sep 29 13:24:21 <Skizzerz>    which Procyon knows the most about
Sep 29 13:24:24 <DrBob>    Yet Proc isn't here, so we can't really do that
Sep 29 13:24:36 <Lunar>    ...I'm lost :P
Sep 29 13:24:46 <Rocky>    double jump
Sep 29 13:24:48 <Skizzerz>    you need to check CI more often :)
Sep 29 13:24:50 <Rocky>    didn't u see?
Sep 29 13:25:08 <Lunar>    I guess I haven't been around the site enough lately
Sep 29 13:25:10 <Rocky>    getting link
Sep 29 13:25:22 <Lunar>    CI?
Sep 29 13:25:25 <Rocky>    my watchlist's too big
Sep 29 13:25:33 <Skizzerz>    http://strategywiki.org/wiki/User:Procyon/DoubleJump <- i think
Sep 29 13:25:38 <Rocky>    like USER:Procyon/DoubleJump
Sep 29 13:25:42 <Lunar>    Oh! Community Issues!
Sep 29 13:25:49 *    Skizzerz applauds
Sep 29 13:25:58 <Rocky>    :P
Sep 29 13:26:03 <Lunar>    Very funny :P :)
Sep 29 13:26:03 <Skizzerz>    grr, not that page
Sep 29 13:26:17 <Rocky>    http://strategywiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Procyon/DoubleJump
Sep 29 13:26:20 <Lunar>    *Testing
Sep 29 13:26:29 <Rocky>    it's /me
Sep 29 13:26:36 <Lunar>    How do you do the whole other color thingy?
Sep 29 13:26:45 <Rocky>    type /me the
Sep 29 13:26:50 <Skizzerz>    what whole other color thingy?
Sep 29 13:26:50 <Rocky>    try it
Sep 29 13:27:03 <Skizzerz>    i have no idea what you're talking about
Sep 29 13:27:13 <Rocky>    lol
Sep 29 13:27:14 <Prod>    can we stay on topic?
Sep 29 13:27:16 <Lunar>    This: *Skizzerz appauds in pink.
Sep 29 13:27:28 <Skizzerz>    uh, that would be a /me
Sep 29 13:27:28 <Rocky>    type /me applauds
Sep 29 13:27:38 <Skizzerz>    Prod: no
Sep 29 13:27:39 <Rocky>    >,<
Sep 29 13:27:41 <DrBob>    BADAFACKUP!
Sep 29 13:27:46 *    Prod sets mode +m #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 13:27:46 <Skizzerz>    it just isn't possible
Sep 29 13:27:46 *    #SW-Meeting :You need voice (+v) (#SW-Meeting)
Sep 29 13:27:50 *    Prod gives voice to DrBob
Sep 29 13:28:07 -ChanServ-    You must be a channel operator to register the channel.
Sep 29 13:28:17 <Prod>    Ok, our first order of business is to discuss the DoubleJump proposal made between Procyon and the ownders of the DoubleJump magazine
Sep 29 13:28:36 <Prod>    I believe the discussion can be found http://strategywiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Procyon/DoubleJump
Sep 29 13:28:59 <Prod>    Unfortunately Procyon, the main contact person with them isn't available at the moment
Sep 29 13:29:10 <Prod>    so the best we can do is propose some integration methods
Sep 29 13:29:22 *    Prod sets mode -m #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 13:29:27 <Rocky>    well
Sep 29 13:29:34 <Rocky>    ya know the powered by mediawiki
Sep 29 13:29:43 <Rocky>    have 1 of those for double jump
Sep 29 13:29:51 <DrBob>    They want slightly more than that
Sep 29 13:30:00 <Prod>    to note, they will be putting our name in to the real print work
Sep 29 13:30:01 <Skizzerz>    yeah, it would put it up on the top bar
Sep 29 13:30:04 <Rocky>    BTW the skin's still "messed up"
Sep 29 13:30:05 <DrBob>    "the DoubleJump logo right next to the current Strategy Wiki logo and add some banners for the latest DoubleJump guides somewhere"
Sep 29 13:30:14 <Lunar>    I really don't quite have much to comment on that...:P
Sep 29 13:30:28 <Skizzerz>    Rocky: IE is messed up, not the skin
Sep 29 13:30:32 <Skizzerz>    get a better browser
Sep 29 13:30:33 <Rocky>    yeh
Sep 29 13:30:35 <Lunar>    How would it work?
Sep 29 13:30:35 <DrBob>    Stay on topic
Sep 29 13:30:37 <Rocky>    >.<
Sep 29 13:31:05 <Prod>    their color scheme is quite similar to ours so it shouldn't be too bad irrespective of how we promote them
Sep 29 13:31:23 <Skizzerz>    i don't know how we'd get dj's logo right next to ours though while keeping in theme for both bc and mb
Sep 29 13:31:37 <Rocky>    new skin?
Sep 29 13:31:50 <Prod>    We can just modify the StrategyWiki image
Sep 29 13:31:51 <DrBob>    Skizzerz: Different images per theme; I'm sure they'd be OK with that
Sep 29 13:31:54 <DrBob>    Rocky: No
Sep 29 13:31:56 <Prod>    for the BC one
Sep 29 13:32:04 <Skizzerz>    no new skin
Sep 29 13:32:08 <Rocky>    k
Sep 29 13:32:11 <Prod>    our Monobook image sucks anywayz, so it can be integrated theree
Sep 29 13:32:22 <Lunar>    Why exactly would we be combining with them?
Sep 29 13:32:34 <Prod>    they will put our name in their print guides
Sep 29 13:32:34 <DrBob>    For the traffic
Sep 29 13:32:36 <Rocky>    read the page
Sep 29 13:32:38 <Rocky>    http://strategywiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Procyon/DoubleJump
Sep 29 13:32:54 <Prod>    the Offer Details section has most of the information
Sep 29 13:33:10 <Lunar>    I have read it...w/e
Sep 29 13:33:25 *    Skizzerz is still reading it
Sep 29 13:34:52 <Lunar>    ...what now? Im bored.
Sep 29 13:35:13 <DrBob>    Is everyone OK with the idea of having their name up at the top next to our logo?
Sep 29 13:35:20 <Rocky>    sure
Sep 29 13:35:24 <Skizzerz>    yeah, placement of the dj logo would have to be carefull thought out, but as for the "branding" itself, I don't see anything else wrong with it
Sep 29 13:36:13 <Prod>    any other comments or questions regarding the rebranding?
Sep 29 13:36:24 <Skizzerz>    also, we'd have to create a policy that if anyone tries to remove/cover/hide the dj logo via personal css/js, they will become banned (and do that for AdSense too, since Google's pretty anal about that. One person doing it could cause them to pull support for the entire site)
Sep 29 13:36:54 <Prod>    well, we will do it to the best of our powers
Sep 29 13:37:06 <Lunar>    ...I really don't know where I stnd on this
Sep 29 13:37:24 <Skizzerz>    then you stand under "neutral" or "undecided" :P
Sep 29 13:37:37 <Lunar>    Yup
Sep 29 13:38:16 <Prod>    if they come to us with a complaint about someone blocking their ads, we will do what we can to remedy the situation, but we can't promise anything
Sep 29 13:38:22 <Prod>    there is no way we can monitor everyone
Sep 29 13:38:29 <Prod>    especially if traffic goes up significantly
Sep 29 13:38:38 *    Skizzerz motions to postpone the official meeting until more key people are able to attend, such as Procyon and echelon
Sep 29 13:38:48 <Rocky>    can't we do a search for the lines
Sep 29 13:38:55 <Rocky>    of code needed to hide them
Sep 29 13:39:04 <DrBob>    Rocky: No
Sep 29 13:39:11 <Skizzerz>    um, enough of us patrol rc to catch them anyway
Sep 29 13:39:11 <DrBob>    There are so many different ways of doing it
Sep 29 13:39:34 <Prod>    I still don't want to promise that
Sep 29 13:39:35 <Rocky>    nah
Sep 29 13:39:44 <Prod>    we we do what we can, but it's not a promise
Sep 29 13:39:55 <Prod>    they have to protect their interests
Sep 29 13:39:57 <Skizzerz>    i do agree that there is no way that we'll catch all of them
Sep 29 13:40:14 <Skizzerz>    but that small step will make them feel that they made a good decision and that we're serious about this
Sep 29 13:40:16 <Prod>    we can help them out in good faith, but we can't do it all
Sep 29 13:40:22 <Lunar>    I'm growing bored of this...I have other things to do...
Sep 29 13:40:26 <Skizzerz>    then leave
Sep 29 13:40:28 <DrBob>    Lunar: Then go
Sep 29 13:40:36 <Skizzerz>    nobody's forcing you to be here
Sep 29 13:40:42 <Lunar>    oh-kay...
Sep 29 13:40:45 *    You are now known as Nobody
Sep 29 13:40:45 <Prod>    (Lunar): this isn't a required meeting, it's a benefit though
Sep 29 13:40:50 <Nobody>    if you leave, I'll kill you
Sep 29 13:40:54 *    You are now known as Skizzerz
Sep 29 13:41:01 <Skizzerz>    see? he's forcing you to be here :P
Sep 29 13:41:28 <Rocky>    just do something else
Sep 29 13:41:29 *    Skizzerz stops making jokes about cliche'd expressions...
Sep 29 13:41:30 <Lunar>    Yeah...but I have better things I can be doing rihgt now
Sep 29 13:41:39 <Prod>    Ok, so we are postponing further discussion of this talk till our next meeting
Sep 29 13:41:40 <DrBob>    Well go then
Sep 29 13:41:41 <Rocky>    amnd come back like every few mins
Sep 29 13:41:44 <Skizzerz>    anyway, anyone want to second my motion?
Sep 29 13:41:54 <Rocky>    yeh
Sep 29 13:42:01 <Rocky>    nothing happened in the last 1
Sep 29 13:42:03 <Lunar>    Sure. I'll leave then.
Sep 29 13:42:05 *    Lunar has left #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 13:42:07 <Rocky>    really
Sep 29 13:42:12 <Skizzerz>    cool, so all in favor of postponing the date of the official meeting, say 'I'
Sep 29 13:42:18 <Prod>    I
Sep 29 13:42:24 <Rocky>    till when?
Sep 29 13:42:25 <Prod>    wait
Sep 29 13:42:33 <Prod>    just the discussion of this topic
Sep 29 13:42:43 <Skizzerz>    uh, sure
Sep 29 13:42:53 <Skizzerz>    and one other topic that requires either ness or ech to be here
Sep 29 13:42:58 <Prod>    this is a major topic that needs more discussion
Sep 29 13:43:07 <DrBob>    Agreed with Prod
Sep 29 13:43:26 <Skizzerz>    i agree with prod as well
Sep 29 13:43:31 <Prod>    We will try for next saturday again with a further discussion of this
Sep 29 13:43:33 <Skizzerz>    so what's the next topic of discussion?
Sep 29 13:43:42 <Prod>    Next up, commitee reports
Sep 29 13:43:51 <Skizzerz>    awesome :)
Sep 29 13:44:03 <Skizzerz>    so, who wants to start?
Sep 29 13:44:26 <Prod>    We can go reverse alphabetically
Sep 29 13:44:28 <Skizzerz>    ok... I guess I will w/ the new user committee then :)
Sep 29 13:44:56 <Skizzerz>    ok, as you can probably see on Recent Changes, we're getting a flood of new users registering
Sep 29 13:45:07 <Skizzerz>    However, only a few of them actually edit
Sep 29 13:45:15 <Skizzerz>    And I'm sure some of them are automated registrations
Sep 29 13:45:31 <Skizzerz>    So, I have two points I would like for this
Sep 29 13:45:45 <Skizzerz>    One: Add some sort of protection against automated editing, such as a captcha
Sep 29 13:46:03 <Skizzerz>    and Two: figure out ways OTHER THAN WELCOMING THEM to try to get them to contribute
Sep 29 13:46:26 <DrBob>    For point one: Do we have any evidence that there are any bots getting in? I haven't noticed any. Adding a captcha would only be an inconvenience if bots aren't a problem.
Sep 29 13:46:27 <Skizzerz>    The reason why I'm against welcoming every new user is stated in Community Issues
Sep 29 13:46:43 <Skizzerz>    well, there is no way to be entierly sure
Sep 29 13:46:44 <Rocky>    yeh
Sep 29 13:46:50 <Rocky>    clogs up rc
Sep 29 13:46:54 <Skizzerz>    but a recent registration was... (lemme find it)
Sep 29 13:47:31 <DrBob>    For point two: I think it's now less of an issue of encouraging them when welcoming them as an issue in how easy it is to edit. If we can make it any easier and simpler to edit things (i.e. not having to learn lots to get things done) then that may encourage more people to edit.
Sep 29 13:48:26 <Skizzerz>    # 00:09, 27 September 2007 3030150 (Talk | contribs | block) New user
Sep 29 13:48:42 <Prod>    is email confirmation currently required when setting up an account?
Sep 29 13:48:48 <Rocky>    not 4 me
Sep 29 13:48:53 <Rocky>    i can't
Sep 29 13:49:01 <Rocky>    well, had to have ech set it up 4 me
Sep 29 13:49:11 <Prod>    was that abxy or sw?
Sep 29 13:49:17 <Rocky>    sw
Sep 29 13:49:27 <Skizzerz>    abxy was email required, sw is optional
Sep 29 13:49:54 <Prod>    a captcha on account creation might be useful, but it should not be required for every edit
Sep 29 13:50:03 <Skizzerz>    anyway, that name doesn't prove that it was automated, but it matches patterns of other automated account creations, which is why I brought it up
Sep 29 13:50:15 <Skizzerz>    no, just creation
Sep 29 13:50:19 <Skizzerz>    every edit would be insane
Sep 29 13:50:22 <DrBob>    I think we should only add a captcha if bot accounts become a real problm
Sep 29 13:50:23 <DrBob>    *problem
Sep 29 13:50:32 <Rocky>    like WP does
Sep 29 13:50:36 <Rocky>    for 4 days
Sep 29 13:50:44 <Rocky>    get1 when adding external links
Sep 29 13:50:59 <Skizzerz>    if it becomes a problem
Sep 29 13:51:06 <Rocky>    yeh
Sep 29 13:51:08 <Skizzerz>    otherwise, I'm just proposing it ONLY for account creation
Sep 29 13:52:13 <Prod>    do you know if there's an "official" extension that can add any of these features?
Sep 29 13:52:20 <Skizzerz>    there is
Sep 29 13:52:21 <Prod>    ie. extension made by the actual devs?
Sep 29 13:52:23 <Skizzerz>    let me find it
Sep 29 13:52:30 <Skizzerz>    er, not sure about "official" then :P
Sep 29 13:54:13 *    Charitwo has joined #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 13:54:24 <Prod>    the only problem with adding a captcha to signup is that it complicates signup
Sep 29 13:54:33 <Prod>    we are trying to make it as easy as possible
Sep 29 13:54:45 <Charitwo>    how would it complicate? most sites use captcha for registrations
Sep 29 13:54:50 <Prod>    i think we should hold off on any captcha addition until bots 'edits' start becoming a problem
Sep 29 13:55:18 <DrBob>    Charitwo: It's added hassle for the user, and we don't want to discourage them
Sep 29 13:55:43 <Rocky>    http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit is this it?
Sep 29 13:56:01 <Charitwo>    i think that's you have to have a confirmed e-mail to edit articles
Sep 29 13:56:22 <Skizzerz>    found it http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit
Sep 29 13:56:27 <Prod>    :P
Sep 29 13:56:34 <Skizzerz>    you can change settings to only work on account creation
Sep 29 13:56:35 <Rocky>    lol
Sep 29 13:56:37 <Skizzerz>    and it's official
Sep 29 13:56:40 <Rocky>    yes
Sep 29 13:56:44 <Prod>    well, I still think we should hold off on any of this until we have problems with bots
Sep 29 13:56:49 <Rocky>    course
Sep 29 13:56:50 <Skizzerz>    Charitwo: stop being faster than me
Sep 29 13:56:57 <Rocky>    it was me
Sep 29 13:57:07 *    Charitwo whacks Skizzerz with a large trout.
Sep 29 13:57:14 <DrBob>    Stay on topic
Sep 29 13:57:16 <Skizzerz>    bots flooding rc with account creations is problematic enough
Sep 29 13:57:20 *    Rocky think's he's gonna get bashed
Sep 29 13:57:28 <DrBob>    Skizzerz: They're not bots
Sep 29 13:57:29 <Rocky>    procs here
Sep 29 13:57:30 <Charitwo>    i agree with turning off user creation log
Sep 29 13:57:39 <Skizzerz>    i never said that
Sep 29 13:57:59 *    Procyon has joined #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 13:58:06 *    Prod gives channel operator status to Procyon
Sep 29 13:58:12 <Charitwo>    i remember saying before, that most users make accounts with the sole intention of having needing to do so to make an edit
Sep 29 13:58:14 <Procyon>    I'm so sorry everyone, Comcast's internet service was down.
Sep 29 13:58:16 <Skizzerz>    anyway, let me wrap this up before we go back to doublejump
Sep 29 13:58:23 <Procyon>    Just came back up.
Sep 29 13:58:24 <Prod>    no worries Procyon
Sep 29 13:58:32 <Procyon>    I know, but I feel badly.
Sep 29 13:58:33 <Prod>    actually we'll continue as we go
Sep 29 13:58:37 <Prod>    i'll let Procyon catch up
Sep 29 13:58:43 <Skizzerz>    so, adding a captcha to registration is beneficial in a few ways:
Sep 29 13:58:46 <Procyon>    please, just summarize.
Sep 29 13:58:50 <Skizzerz>    1) it would stem off bot creations
Sep 29 13:59:14 <Skizzerz>    2) it would stem off some people from creating an account just for the sake of creating an account
Sep 29 13:59:32 <Procyon>    Skiz: How would it do #2?
Sep 29 13:59:43 <Skizzerz>    key word: some
Sep 29 13:59:50 <DrBob>    1) There aren't, really
Sep 29 13:59:51 <DrBob>    2) Do we really want that? Those people may come back later and edit
Sep 29 14:00:01 <Skizzerz>    99% of them haven't
Sep 29 14:00:11 <Prod>    but it's not worth risking
Sep 29 14:00:17 <Skizzerz>    besides, how do you know that there aren't any for 1?
Sep 29 14:00:30 <DrBob>    Because bots spam like hell, and have predictable names
Sep 29 14:00:44 <Rocky>    btw usernameblacklist's a bit risky
Sep 29 14:00:49 <Skizzerz>    there are bots that just go to places and register and not necessarly spam
Sep 29 14:00:54 <Skizzerz>    Rocky: how so?
Sep 29 14:00:55 <Rocky>     can block all acounts with 1 wrong edit
Sep 29 14:00:57 <Rocky>    u
Sep 29 14:01:02 <Prod>    (Skizzerz): how does that cause us problems?
Sep 29 14:01:07 <Skizzerz>    that's why all edits to it must be approved first
Sep 29 14:01:24 <Skizzerz>    it doesn't really, it just floods rc...
Sep 29 14:01:32 <Procyon>    Skiz, I had an initial concern about too many users at one point too, but it has subsided...
Sep 29 14:01:38 <Skizzerz>    of course, i'm not really bothered by that, but I know other people are
Sep 29 14:01:47 <Prod>    we can let them complain about it
Sep 29 14:01:48 <Procyon>    I do think it would be handy to purge accounts with no edits after one year though...
Sep 29 14:01:59 <Rocky>    yeh
Sep 29 14:02:05 <Skizzerz>    there are no stable ways to do so as of yet, however
Sep 29 14:02:10 <Prod>    handy, but not needed until we get people complaining about usernames
Sep 29 14:02:20 <Procyon>    My other concern is patterns like this one user who has multiple edits to his user page, an nothing to any guide.
Sep 29 14:02:23 <Charitwo>    i think it's against GFDL policy too
Sep 29 14:02:30 <Skizzerz>    not if they don't edit
Sep 29 14:02:33 <Procyon>    Seems to be some kind of wikiphile.
Sep 29 14:02:34 <Rocky>    not if they haven't made an edit
Sep 29 14:02:46 <Procyon>    lemme try to find the name.
Sep 29 14:02:52 <Rocky>    btw will u be using chari2 again?
Sep 29 14:02:58 <Prod>    I think we can agree to hold off any action until we have problems with this ok?
Sep 29 14:03:03 <DrBob>    Yes
Sep 29 14:03:08 <Charitwo>    no, that was just to put a message on proc's talk page
Sep 29 14:03:11 <Rocky>    nmh's here
Sep 29 14:03:13 <Skizzerz>    of course, what about accounts made for prevention of impersonation, such as Skizzerz?
Sep 29 14:03:13 *    Notmyhandle has joined #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 14:03:22 <Skizzerz>    hey NickelMetalHydride
Sep 29 14:03:31 <Notmyhandle>    Sorry I'm late.
Sep 29 14:03:36 <Rocky>    1 hour
Sep 29 14:03:37 <Prod>    np Notmyhandle
Sep 29 14:03:42 <Notmyhandle>    I woke up an hour ago
Sep 29 14:03:47 <Procyon>    FastLizard4
Sep 29 14:03:52 <Procyon>    User:FastLizard4
Sep 29 14:04:03 <Skizzerz>    what about him/her/it?
Sep 29 14:04:06 <Prod>    All in favour of holding off action on adding Captchas or any other user name creation changes, please say Aye
Sep 29 14:04:14 <Procyon>    Re: My other concern is patterns like this one user who has multiple edits to his user page, an nothing to any guide.
Sep 29 14:04:14 <Rocky>    i
Sep 29 14:04:23 *    Notmyhandle doesn't know what Captchas are so he won't vote.
Sep 29 14:04:26 <Rocky>    User:Youtube
Sep 29 14:04:31 <Skizzerz>    lol
Sep 29 14:04:32 <Rocky>    look here
Sep 29 14:04:39 *    Skizzerz yells at youtube
Sep 29 14:04:46 *    Notmyhandle loves Youtube
Sep 29 14:04:53 <Charitwo>    Notmyhandle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha
Sep 29 14:04:53 <Rocky>    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup&returnto=Special:Version
Sep 29 14:04:56 <Skizzerz>    Youtube or User:Youtube?
Sep 29 14:04:58 <Procyon>    Do we have a policy about this?
Sep 29 14:05:04 <Skizzerz>    about what?
Sep 29 14:05:08 <Rocky>    there's 1 working in my link
Sep 29 14:05:10 <Procyon>    *sigh*
Sep 29 14:05:12 <Procyon>    Re: My other concern is patterns like this one user who has multiple edits to his user page, an nothing to any guide.
Sep 29 14:05:17 <Skizzerz>    nope
Sep 29 14:05:24 <Notmyhandle>    Oh.  I like Captchas.  But we can hold off so AYE
Sep 29 14:05:24 <Skizzerz>    not really anything you can do about it either
Sep 29 14:05:29 <Procyon>    Well...
Sep 29 14:05:29 <Procyon>    you can.
Sep 29 14:05:31 *    Skizzerz will bring it up in CI
Sep 29 14:05:44 <Skizzerz>    you can't delete the accounts, It would be a GFDL violation
Sep 29 14:05:49 <Rocky>    how?
Sep 29 14:05:50 <Prod>    Please bring up the copyrighted names thing in CI as well
Sep 29 14:05:53 <Procyon>    You put a warning and say, "Hey, if you don't start contributing to some other pages, we may consider closing your account."
Sep 29 14:05:53 <Rocky>    oh yeh
Sep 29 14:05:56 <Rocky>    the edited ones
Sep 29 14:06:02 <Notmyhandle>    copyrighted names like what
Sep 29 14:06:04 <Notmyhandle>    Bill Cosby?
Sep 29 14:06:09 *    Skizzerz will notify Youtube to actually do something in mainspace
Sep 29 14:06:10 <Prod>    youtube
Sep 29 14:06:10 <Notmyhandle>    Sony?
Sep 29 14:06:11 <Notmyhandle>    o
Sep 29 14:06:15 <Procyon>    Oh, THAT'S a Captcha.
Sep 29 14:06:22 <Procyon>    I'm actually in favor of that Skizzerz.
Sep 29 14:06:29 <Skizzerz>    :)
Sep 29 14:06:42 <Procyon>    Seriously, that should _not_ impact user registration.
Sep 29 14:06:42 <Prod>    .:14·49·47:. «@Prod» the only problem with adding a captcha to signup is that it complicates signup
Sep 29 14:06:42 <Prod>    .:14·49·56:. «@Prod» we are trying to make it as easy as possible
Sep 29 14:07:00 <DrBob>    And it's unnecessary at the moment
Sep 29 14:07:03 <Skizzerz>    one captcha isn't going to complicate things too much
Sep 29 14:07:04 <Prod>    until we have problems we should leave it as it is
Sep 29 14:07:10 <Rocky>    yeh#
Sep 29 14:07:11 <Procyon>    Prod, there are sites that I sign into and have to enter in a captcha code every time.  I don't even think about it.
Sep 29 14:07:13 <Rocky>    on WP
Sep 29 14:07:21 <DrBob>    Proc: You're not normal ;)
Sep 29 14:07:26 <Rocky>    if sum1 has the same name
Sep 29 14:07:27 <Procyon>    But I will side with Prod and DrBob on this.
Sep 29 14:07:29 <Charitwo>    what about a captcha on edits containing new external links
Sep 29 14:07:42 <Rocky>    there is
Sep 29 14:07:43 <Notmyhandle>    DB: It's common for financial sites; but user registration you would think would be mandatory.
Sep 29 14:07:45 <Procyon>    You can't conditionally apply captchas.
Sep 29 14:07:45 <Rocky>    on  WP
Sep 29 14:07:46 <Skizzerz>    i don't see the point in that, but that's going out of my committee
Sep 29 14:07:52 <Rocky>    you can
Sep 29 14:07:54 <Skizzerz>    Procyon: yes you can
Sep 29 14:07:55 <Rocky>    WP does
Sep 29 14:07:55 <DrBob>    Charitwo: That's pointless, since you need an account to edit
Sep 29 14:08:04 <Procyon>    oh
Sep 29 14:08:07 <Rocky>    for 4 days
Sep 29 14:08:14 <Rocky>    till autoconfirmed
Sep 29 14:08:17 <DrBob>    WP allows anonymous editing
Sep 29 14:08:19 <Procyon>    DrBob is right on that.
Sep 29 14:08:32 <Notmyhandle>    and?
Sep 29 14:08:47 <Notmyhandle>    You think that minimizes our edits?
Sep 29 14:08:53 <Skizzerz>    i don't think external link captchas are a good idea, but I'll bring up the account one on CI and see what other people think
Sep 29 14:09:02 <Procyon>    kk
Sep 29 14:09:05 <Prod>    yes, please do
Sep 29 14:09:13 <Prod>    so let us move on to the next person in the list
Sep 29 14:09:19 <Procyon>    Has Blendmaster been seen anytime recently?  i.e. last few weeks>
Sep 29 14:09:23 <Notmyhandle>    yeah
Sep 29 14:09:23 <Skizzerz>    nope
Sep 29 14:09:26 <Rocky>    not much
Sep 29 14:09:29 <Procyon>    :P
Sep 29 14:09:52 <Prod>    Who would like to go next?
Sep 29 14:09:56 *    DrBob is now known as DrBob_eating_sorry
Sep 29 14:09:58 <Prod>    with their community status report
Sep 29 14:09:58 <Skizzerz>    ok, I just told youtube that I'll ban him if he doesn't edit in mainspace :P
Sep 29 14:10:05 <Notmyhandle>    lawl
Sep 29 14:10:07 <Procyon>    OK, well, it seems like this matter is closed.
Sep 29 14:10:08 <Notmyhandle>    give a reason
Sep 29 14:10:16 <Skizzerz>    he said "whatever"
Sep 29 14:10:26 <Prod>    Who wants to go next
Sep 29 14:10:54 <Prod>    who else was heading a commitee?
Sep 29 14:11:04 <Procyon>    DrBob, Blendmaster, and Teddy
Sep 29 14:11:05 <Skizzerz>    just DrBob_eating_sorry
Sep 29 14:11:08 <Rocky>    dunno
Sep 29 14:11:10 <Skizzerz>    the other two aren't here
Sep 29 14:11:22 <Skizzerz>    so... doublejump?
Sep 29 14:11:23 <Prod>    ok, we'll come back to him as soon as he gets back
Sep 29 14:11:39 <Notmyhandle>    DJ me likes
Sep 29 14:12:01 <Prod>    Is there any point in discussing adsense alternatives
Sep 29 14:12:08 <Prod>    without garrett/ech/ness here?
Sep 29 14:12:09 <Procyon>    Well,
Sep 29 14:12:11 <Procyon>    Oh,
Sep 29 14:12:13 <Procyon>    good point.
Sep 29 14:12:14 *    Notmyhandle goes to photoshop an image of what he thinks the image should look like if branded...
Sep 29 14:12:28 <Rocky>    potatochop
Sep 29 14:12:30 <Prod>    can we agree to pass on the adsense topic until next meeting?
Sep 29 14:12:31 <Skizzerz>    my only concern to this (which I've said earlier, but you weren't here Procyon) is where to put the dj logo and how small it can be
Sep 29 14:12:44 <Skizzerz>    Rocky: no, burn in uncyc if you bring that up again
Sep 29 14:12:52 <Rocky>    kk
Sep 29 14:12:53 <Skizzerz>    :P
Sep 29 14:12:56 <Rocky>    :)
Sep 29 14:12:59 <Prod>    All in favour of passing Adsense say Aye
Sep 29 14:13:02 <Rocky>    rocks don't burn
Sep 29 14:13:03 <Skizzerz>    aye
Sep 29 14:13:05 <Rocky>    i
Sep 29 14:13:17 <Skizzerz>    then how do you get "fiery brimstone"?
Sep 29 14:13:24 <Skizzerz>    anyway... back on topic
Sep 29 14:13:27 <Procyon>    I guess so
Sep 29 14:13:35 <Notmyhandle>    Aye
Sep 29 14:13:39 <Procyon>    Although, I'm inviting ness to signon.
Sep 29 14:13:39 <Prod>    ok, the aye's have it
Sep 29 14:13:44 <Skizzerz>    yay
Sep 29 14:13:48 <Rocky>    eye
Sep 29 14:13:49 <Skizzerz>    yell at brandon too
Sep 29 14:13:53 <Procyon>    Dunno if he will.
Sep 29 14:13:56 <Rocky>    yeh
Sep 29 14:14:01 <Procyon>    ech isn't online.
Sep 29 14:14:06 <Procyon>    Hasn't bee in a long time.
Sep 29 14:14:17 <Rocky>    btw does any1 know about strategywiki.com
Sep 29 14:14:19 <Procyon>    ness is coming.
Sep 29 14:14:24 <Prod>    ok
Sep 29 14:14:44 *    Notmyhandle finished an image for reference
Sep 29 14:14:59 <Skizzerz>    strategywiki.com redirects to .org
Sep 29 14:15:01 <Charitwo>    it redirects to the .org
Sep 29 14:15:08 *    Charitwo shakes fist at Skizzerz
Sep 29 14:15:19 <Prod>    .com is also owned by echelon
Sep 29 14:15:30 <Prod>    according to a whois on whois.tucows.com
Sep 29 14:15:31 <Notmyhandle>    http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2763/swdjhz8.jpg << SW + DJ Logo
Sep 29 14:15:43 <Prod>    As ness is hopefully coming soon
Sep 29 14:15:45 *    ness has joined #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 14:15:48 <Rocky>    , look here
Sep 29 14:15:49 <Prod>    let us move back to the DoubleJump topic
Sep 29 14:15:53 <Rocky>    http://secret47.merkey.net/showthread.php?tid=21&pid=137#pid137
Sep 29 14:16:05 *    Prod gives channel operator status to ness
Sep 29 14:16:16 <Rocky>    doesn't look like it
Sep 29 14:16:17 <Procyon>    Hey ness!
Sep 29 14:16:17 <Skizzerz>    Notmyhandle: too large for me
Sep 29 14:16:31 <Prod>    Notmyhandle has proposed a potential logo at http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2763/swdjhz8.jpg
Sep 29 14:16:43 <Procyon>    ness, are you familiar with the DoubleJump branding issue?
Sep 29 14:16:50 <Notmyhandle>    Really Skizz?
Sep 29 14:16:56 <Skizzerz>    yeah
Sep 29 14:17:09 <Notmyhandle>    It's like the smallest it can be where you can still read it
Sep 29 14:17:13 <Procyon>    NMH: Don't forget that somewhere on the site, we would need to find a place to promote their guides.
Sep 29 14:17:14 <Prod>    The DJ discussion can be found at http://strategywiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Procyon/DoubleJump
Sep 29 14:17:31 <Notmyhandle>    Proc: Side bar
Sep 29 14:17:34 <Notmyhandle>    Or
Sep 29 14:17:35 <Skizzerz>    plus it doesn't really go with the rest of the color scheme
Sep 29 14:17:36 <Procyon>    Left...
Sep 29 14:17:37 <Notmyhandle>    if a new one comes out
Sep 29 14:17:44 <Notmyhandle>    we can have one of those announcements that Wikipedia does
Sep 29 14:17:52 <Procyon>    Oh, what
Sep 29 14:17:53 <Notmyhandle>    it shows up where ur new messages do
Sep 29 14:17:55 <Skizzerz>    the js sitenotices?
Sep 29 14:17:55 <Procyon>    what's that like?
Sep 29 14:17:56 <Notmyhandle>    but its just like
Sep 29 14:17:57 <Prod>    (Notmyhandle): yes, but then we can't use it for anything else
Sep 29 14:18:11 <Notmyhandle>    Black and white text with a <hr> under it (the line that spans the screen)
Sep 29 14:18:14 <Procyon>    Why couldn't we?
Sep 29 14:18:34 <Notmyhandle>    Prod we aren't using the sidespace for anything else
Sep 29 14:18:40 *    Skizzerz find those incredibly annoying and distracting, especially when they don't give you a [dismiss] link
Sep 29 14:18:46 <Prod>    which side?
Sep 29 14:18:51 <Skizzerz>    left, I think
Sep 29 14:18:53 *    Notmyhandle agrees with Skizz.
Sep 29 14:18:54 <Prod>    i agree with Skizzerz
Sep 29 14:19:01 <Charitwo>    can dismiss with MediaWiki:Sitenotice id
Sep 29 14:19:10 <Procyon>    Well, you have to consider what we are gaining.
Sep 29 14:19:13 <Notmyhandle>    yeah wikipedia lets u dismiss
Sep 29 14:19:23 <Prod>    yes, but I don't think that's the right way to go about it
Sep 29 14:19:42 <Prod>    sitenotices are supposed to be short term notices
Sep 29 14:19:47 <Prod>    not a permanent part of the site
Sep 29 14:20:05 <Skizzerz>    agreed
Sep 29 14:20:10 <Procyon>    We are gaining the potential that when some guy goes into a game/book store, ad picks up a DoubleJump guide (which happen to be among the most professional available these days since GameFans and Versus Books are gone), there's going to be a page advertisement about www.strategywiki.org
Sep 29 14:20:18 <Rocky>    wikipedia lets you dismiss if you login
Sep 29 14:20:30 <Procyon>    Granted, it will be mixed in among other ads, but still...
Sep 29 14:20:48 <Procyon>    That's hefty advertisement, across US and Canada presumably.
Sep 29 14:20:49 <Notmyhandle>    we'll get like 5 new members because of this deal w00t
Sep 29 14:20:53 <Prod>    will they be giving us a mockup sometime?
Sep 29 14:20:53 <Skizzerz>    an entire page? nice :)
Sep 29 14:21:06 <Procyon>    I imagine Tim would be happy to do that.
Sep 29 14:21:10 <Skizzerz>    why not use some of the poster ads that we made too?
Sep 29 14:21:27 <Skizzerz>    of course, that's kinda advertising to the wrong crowd then, so...
Sep 29 14:21:44 <Notmyhandle>    Hey it's almost october
Sep 29 14:21:48 <Procyon>    They're "cute" but they're not quite as professional as what a publication company could come up with.
Sep 29 14:21:48 <Notmyhandle>    u know what that means?
Sep 29 14:21:51 <Rocky>    no
Sep 29 14:21:55 <Charitwo>    fiscal year?
Sep 29 14:21:58 <Notmyhandle>    I get to donate and get my name on the list again!
Sep 29 14:22:03 <Procyon>    I still think our tag line should be "StrategyWiki.org: What the FAQ?"
Sep 29 14:22:06 <Rocky>    2 year annie
Sep 29 14:22:08 <Notmyhandle>    w00t for donatewhores
Sep 29 14:22:42 <Charitwo>    i think for multiple donations just notate a (#) of donations next to name... like Notmyhandle (2)
Sep 29 14:22:46 <Prod>    (Procyon): I like it, but that might alienate some of our younger viewers
Sep 29 14:23:04 <Notmyhandle>    Procyon: What's cute?
Sep 29 14:23:05 <Procyon>    Are you kidding?  You haven't been a younger viewer in a while ^_^
Sep 29 14:23:13 <Prod>    i mean their parents
Sep 29 14:23:14 <Procyon>    NMH: The ads that we personally came up with.
Sep 29 14:23:29 <Notmyhandle>    Lets be HARDCORE STRATEGYWIKI
Sep 29 14:23:41 <Procyon>    Prod: Perhaps, but then again, we have guides for M rated games on here, so perhaps parent's should be concerned to begin with.
Sep 29 14:23:47 <Procyon>    NMH: Can't, at least, not yet.
Sep 29 14:23:53 <Notmyhandle>    "Ever needed to learn how to blow someone's face off just the right way?  Well now you can!"
Sep 29 14:23:54 <Procyon>    Hardcore Gamer is going through some restructuring.
Sep 29 14:24:01 <Procyon>    BUT,
Sep 29 14:24:04 <Prod>    the difference is, you have to search for those M rated games
Sep 29 14:24:08 <Procyon>    If things with DoubleJump proceed smoothly,
Sep 29 14:24:14 <Prod>    that kind of tagline would be seen by everyone
Sep 29 14:24:36 <Procyon>    we could possibly increase the scope of the arrangement to include Hardcore Gamer as well.
Sep 29 14:24:40 <Prod>    Will teddy be able to work on a suggested branding merger?
Sep 29 14:24:41 <Procyon>    Hardcore Gamer's wiki is dead.
Sep 29 14:24:50 <Procyon>    If we talk to him I imagine we would.
Sep 29 14:24:53 <Prod>    a look for our site?
Sep 29 14:24:59 <Prod>    we need to see what they propose to us
Sep 29 14:25:03 <Procyon>    True
Sep 29 14:25:08 <Prod>    and we should be ready to show them what we have or them
Sep 29 14:25:11 <Notmyhandle>    I wonder if Sega Sages's tagline is a trademark...
Sep 29 14:25:13 <Procyon>    And that will be the next step that I ask Tim for.
Sep 29 14:25:53 <Prod>    So, how far do we need to go to satisfy this deal?
Sep 29 14:25:58 <Procyon>    The other thing about this branding is that I feel in some way that it "legitimizes" us by having a partner in the industry.
Sep 29 14:25:59 <Prod>    add their logo to our logo?
Sep 29 14:26:07 <Prod>    what else?
Sep 29 14:26:10 <Procyon>    Prod: That, and find a way to promote their print guides.
Sep 29 14:26:18 <Prod>    does it have to be guide by guide?
Sep 29 14:26:21 <Prod>    or in general?
Sep 29 14:26:35 <Notmyhandle>    Procyon: Are we allowed to have our own guides on the site?
Sep 29 14:26:36 <Procyon>    In general unless we start a guide that they also print for.
Sep 29 14:26:49 <Procyon>    Which is what NMH is raising.
Sep 29 14:27:04 <Notmyhandle>    I bet Tim will say plz no
Sep 29 14:27:18 <Prod>    How would we link to them?
Sep 29 14:27:21 <Prod>    just to their front page?
Sep 29 14:27:22 <Procyon>    I think what would happen in that case (say, for example, we start a Disgeae 2 guide),
Sep 29 14:27:29 <Prod>    or would we link to their online shop (or amazon)
Sep 29 14:27:37 <Procyon>    I think it would be _responsible_ of us to add a link to their guide.
Sep 29 14:27:49 <Procyon>    I don't think that they're terribly worried about the competition.
Sep 29 14:27:52 <Notmyhandle>    but their guide isn't online
Sep 29 14:27:59 <Procyon>    Their guides approach 200 pages in size.
Sep 29 14:28:06 <Procyon>    There's no way we can manage that.
Sep 29 14:28:10 <Skizzerz>    nope
Sep 29 14:28:19 <Prod>    (Procyon): how do we link to their guides?
Sep 29 14:28:24 <Procyon>    NMH: Sorry, a link to the sale of their guide, like on Amazon, or whatever they choose.
Sep 29 14:28:29 <Skizzerz>    Notmyhandle: I don't see why we wouldn't be allowed to have our own guides?
Sep 29 14:28:30 <Rocky>    template?
Sep 29 14:28:44 <Procyon>    Prod: I honestly am not sure, but I think if we want to remain a good-faith partner, we find a way.
Sep 29 14:28:53 <Skizzerz>    not template, it'd be part of the .php file so it can't be messed with
Sep 29 14:28:57 <Prod>    We could add an entry to our infobox
Sep 29 14:28:59 <Notmyhandle>    Tim might express a desire for us to not cut in in any way.
Sep 29 14:29:00 <Procyon>    I think in the in-general case, it's sufficient to have a random ad on the left.
Sep 29 14:29:06 <Notmyhandle>    I'm just imagining.
Sep 29 14:29:09 <Prod>    "Check out this guide by our partners DoubleJump"
Sep 29 14:29:30 <Notmyhandle>    If someone goes to the Disgea II guide
Sep 29 14:29:38 <Notmyhandle>    the ad should be specifically for that guide
Sep 29 14:29:42 <Skizzerz>    infobox works too... but then it's only on the front page
Sep 29 14:29:48 <Prod>    or "Check out this pring guide by our partners DJ on Amazon:" linx to amazon
Sep 29 14:29:55 <Procyon>    But in the case of a Disgeae 2 guide, we might need to consider: HN, Infobox, intro, CN, >half page advertisement<, TOC.
Sep 29 14:29:58 <Prod>    another option is AGN
Sep 29 14:30:03 <Prod>    but that one is much harder to do
Sep 29 14:30:11 <Procyon>    And not visible enough.
Sep 29 14:30:12 <Skizzerz>    Procyon: i like that idea
Sep 29 14:30:30 <Skizzerz>    since the cn has a jump to toc link anyway, people can just skip it if they really want to
Sep 29 14:30:38 <Procyon>    Technically true.
Sep 29 14:30:49 <Notmyhandle>    I wonder if by doing this we might get DJ employees to help with SW
Sep 29 14:30:50 <Skizzerz>    Prod: HN, not AGN
Sep 29 14:30:55 <Prod>    what about a permanent vertical ad on the left side
Sep 29 14:30:56 <Prod>    (Skizzerz): shhh
Sep 29 14:30:57 <Skizzerz>    possibly
Sep 29 14:31:00 <Prod>    :P
Sep 29 14:31:14 <Procyon>    NMH: I would prefer to see things escalate to the point where we are in fact Hardcore Gamer's official wiki site.
Sep 29 14:31:23 <Skizzerz>    that would be cool
Sep 29 14:31:33 <Procyon>    NMH: Their community is more likely to help than their paid authors.
Sep 29 14:31:33 <Notmyhandle>    I have a suggestion for the placement of a logo
Sep 29 14:31:38 <Skizzerz>    because being "official" gives a LOT of rep in the gaming industry
Sep 29 14:31:44 <Notmyhandle>    right under blue cloud's logo, above where the permanant links are
Sep 29 14:31:55 <Skizzerz>    that's what I was thinking too
Sep 29 14:32:07 <Prod>    looks like a good empty place to me
Sep 29 14:32:08 <Procyon>    I like that better as well.
Sep 29 14:32:09 <Notmyhandle>    It might be too big for your liking though XD
Sep 29 14:32:15 *    DrBob_eating_sorry is now known as DrBob
Sep 29 14:32:20 <Skizzerz>    we'll see
Sep 29 14:32:23 <Prod>    we might have to do a "longer" version of their name
Sep 29 14:32:24 <Procyon>    wb DrBob
Sep 29 14:32:28 <DrBob>    ty
Sep 29 14:32:29 <Prod>    rather than a boxy version
Sep 29 14:32:42 <Skizzerz>    yeah, I agree. Perhaps they can produce another logo?
Sep 29 14:32:44 <Procyon>    Prod, I think the logo is less important to them than the ads... at least, it would be if I were them.
Sep 29 14:32:49 <Skizzerz>    the boxy one would be perfect for monobook though
Sep 29 14:32:57 <Prod>    Yes it would
Sep 29 14:33:02 <Procyon>    Skiz: Why would they?  Would we produce a new one for someone else?
Sep 29 14:33:07 <Prod>    (Procyon): name recognition is important I'd think
Sep 29 14:33:18 <Prod>    they might have another one around
Sep 29 14:33:20 <Procyon>    Prod: I know, but the name will be in the ads as well.
Sep 29 14:33:30 <Prod>    they did say they wanted branding as well
Sep 29 14:33:33 <Prod>    not just ads
Sep 29 14:33:51 <Skizzerz>    yes, and they mentioned the logo before the ads
Sep 29 14:34:24 <Prod>    and that would actually benefit us as well
Sep 29 14:34:31 <Prod>    if users see their name here
Sep 29 14:34:34 <Prod>    and then see it offline
Sep 29 14:34:42 <Prod>    they will hopefully make an association
Sep 29 14:34:47 <Skizzerz>    agreed
Sep 29 14:34:48 <Prod>    making us more "legit"
Sep 29 14:34:57 <Procyon>    I agree.
Sep 29 14:35:06 <Procyon>    But I think right beneath the SW logo is perfect.
Sep 29 14:35:21 <Procyon>    And doesn't need to be made any bigger width-wise than the nav bar.
Sep 29 14:35:24 <Skizzerz>    yes, but there isn't a whole lot of real estate down there
Sep 29 14:35:42 <Procyon>    The skin could be adjusted, and the "Main Page" link moved down.
Sep 29 14:35:42 <Skizzerz>    you're restricted as to where the header image ends and the text starts
Sep 29 14:35:45 <Prod>    we can push the nav bar down a bit
Sep 29 14:35:47 <Procyon>    That's the easy part.
Sep 29 14:36:04 <Procyon>    Teddy could prolly fix that in a second.
Sep 29 14:36:05 <Prod>    we can modify the php file
Sep 29 14:36:15 <Prod>    that generates the skin
Sep 29 14:36:18 <Skizzerz>    pushing the nav down would be easy
Sep 29 14:36:32 <Skizzerz>    it just requires modifying header.jpg to go down further
Sep 29 14:36:39 <Skizzerz>    on the left side
Sep 29 14:37:06 <Prod>    so, we agree to put their logo right below our logo, and push down the left nav bar if necessary?
Sep 29 14:37:26 <Notmyhandle>    All in favor
Sep 29 14:37:27 <Notmyhandle>    AYE
Sep 29 14:37:28 <DrBob>    If they're happy with it, yes :)
Sep 29 14:37:35 <Prod>    Aye
Sep 29 14:37:58 <Prod>    Procyon?
Sep 29 14:38:15 <Skizzerz>    aye
Sep 29 14:38:39 <Procyon>    aye
Sep 29 14:38:53 <Procyon>    I'll bring that to Tim's attention after the meeting.
Sep 29 14:38:57 <Skizzerz>    sure
Sep 29 14:39:00 <Prod>    and teddys
Sep 29 14:40:08 <Prod>    ok
Sep 29 14:40:18 <Prod>    so all that remains is advertising thir guides
Sep 29 14:40:32 <Prod>    one option is this
Sep 29 14:40:37 <Procyon>    Yeah, we can get more feedback from Tim on that before we make heavy decisions.
Sep 29 14:40:46 <Prod>    we create a protected page with a list of all guides they have
Sep 29 14:40:58 <Prod>    and links to them on amazon/whatever location they want
Sep 29 14:41:22 <Prod>    we can have a lookup in there for wherever we want to put the links
Sep 29 14:41:33 <Prod>    so, we just need to decide
Sep 29 14:41:37 <Prod>    where do we put the links?
Sep 29 14:41:48 <DrBob>    In the infobox
Sep 29 14:41:54 <Prod>    Infobox would be easy
Sep 29 14:41:59 <Prod>    but that is only main page
Sep 29 14:42:00 <DrBob>    In a little highlighted cell at the bottom, or perhaps just beneath the boxart
Sep 29 14:42:02 <Prod>    is that good enough?
Sep 29 14:42:07 <DrBob>    I think so
Sep 29 14:42:11 <Prod>    Procyon?
Sep 29 14:42:14 <DrBob>    Unless DJ disagree
Sep 29 14:42:25 <Procyon>    I think so too... The only thing I could see doing on particular sub-pages,
Sep 29 14:42:32 <Prod>    we have top obvious options
Sep 29 14:42:36 <Prod>    HN and Infobox
Sep 29 14:42:41 <Procyon>    is forcing the ad to be of the particular guide in question as opposed to randomizing it.
Sep 29 14:42:48 <DrBob>    We could have a linking template; something along the lines of "See page xxx in your DJ guide for more information."
Sep 29 14:42:57 <Procyon>    (If that's possible... would need to set up some sort of relational database in that case...)
Sep 29 14:43:05 <Prod>    (Procyon): that's fine
Sep 29 14:43:09 <Prod>    implementation should be easy
Sep 29 14:43:10 <Procyon>    DrBob's idea might be easier actually.
Sep 29 14:43:18 <Prod>    just location is important
Sep 29 14:43:25 <Procyon>    Like I said,
Sep 29 14:43:26 <Prod>    might, but we'd need to know where to link to
Sep 29 14:43:29 <Prod>    and it's not protected
Sep 29 14:43:33 <Notmyhandle>    Tim could give us the index pages of all the guids
Sep 29 14:43:35 <Notmyhandle>    guides
Sep 29 14:43:39 <DrBob>    They'd probably have to add those though, as we probably won't have access to the books
Sep 29 14:43:47 <Procyon>    let's see what Tim says... we might come up with some crazy complicated thing when all Tim wants is a blurb.
Sep 29 14:43:48 <Prod>    that too
Sep 29 14:43:52 <DrBob>    Prod: We'd notice changes through RC
Sep 29 14:44:09 <DrBob>    Proc: Agreed
Sep 29 14:44:14 <Skizzerz>    watchlists could help with noticing too
Sep 29 14:44:19 <Prod>    (DrBob): we're assuming our traffic goes through the roof
Sep 29 14:44:30 <DrBob>    Prod: Then we get more sysops ;)
Sep 29 14:44:41 <Procyon>    Yeah, what's been going on with the traffic lately, is it back up now>
Sep 29 14:44:42 <Procyon>    ?
Sep 29 14:44:45 <Prod>    yes, but they're not all going to watch for that stuff
Sep 29 14:44:45 <DrBob>    Skizzerz: Yeah; DJ could have their own account which just watches pages referring to them
Sep 29 14:44:57 <DrBob>    As Proc said, let's wait for feedback from Tim
Sep 29 14:45:02 <Prod>    i agree
Sep 29 14:45:05 <Prod>    we've got some ideas for them
Sep 29 14:45:07 <DrBob>    It might be an idea to send him this log
Sep 29 14:45:10 <Prod>    lets hear back on what they think
Sep 29 14:45:20 <Prod>    this log will be put up
Sep 29 14:45:24 <Prod>    we can send him a link
Sep 29 14:45:28 <Skizzerz>    exactly
Sep 29 14:45:31 <DrBob>    Hello Tim! :)
Sep 29 14:45:32 <Procyon>    DrBob: As much as I like Tim, I'd rather play with our cards closer to our chest.
Sep 29 14:45:39 <Procyon>    BTW guys,
Sep 29 14:45:47 <Procyon>    anyone see the October issue of Hardcore Gamer?
Sep 29 14:45:54 <Notmyhandle>    no
Sep 29 14:45:56 <Skizzerz>    nope
Sep 29 14:45:59 <DrBob>    No
Sep 29 14:46:04 <Procyon>    I got a four, count 'em, four feature page article in there.
Sep 29 14:46:13 <Notmyhandle>    ahaha nice
Sep 29 14:46:15 <Prod>    congrats :D
Sep 29 14:46:16 <Procyon>    ^_^
Sep 29 14:46:17 <Notmyhandle>    on what, MAME?
Sep 29 14:46:18 <DrBob>    Schweet :)
Sep 29 14:46:18 <Procyon>    Thanks :)
Sep 29 14:46:25 <Skizzerz>    nice
Sep 29 14:46:40 <Procyon>    NMH: No, on translating The Tower of Druaga for the PC-Engine, which I did primarily because of my research for SW.
Sep 29 14:46:52 <Procyon>    And don't forget that I put SW's URL in the patch.
Sep 29 14:46:55 <Skizzerz>    Procyon: that was a nice translation :)
Sep 29 14:47:06 <Procyon>    Skiz: Thanks very much!
Sep 29 14:47:06 <Notmyhandle>    nice
Sep 29 14:47:11 <Prod>    Ok, I agree :)
Sep 29 14:47:12 <Procyon>    The article looks so professional.
Sep 29 14:47:13 <Prod>    ok
Sep 29 14:47:14 <Prod>    so moving on
Sep 29 14:47:24 <Prod>    We are back to community leader reports
Sep 29 14:47:27 <DrBob>    Proc: You should scan it for us sometime (if that's allowed ;))
Sep 29 14:47:49 <Prod>    Earlier we heard from Skizzerz
Sep 29 14:47:53 <Procyon>    I could probably share the PDF with a "select few" :)
Sep 29 14:47:59 <Prod>    about the New User committee
Sep 29 14:48:14 <Prod>    so now we are back to DrBob with the Look and Feel Committee
Sep 29 14:48:20 <DrBob>    Well hello there
Sep 29 14:48:35 *    Procyon wants to look ad feel DrBob ;)
Sep 29 14:48:40 <Procyon>    Damn N key...
Sep 29 14:48:41 <Notmyhandle>    Not now
Sep 29 14:48:46 <Procyon>    my n key is going bad...
Sep 29 14:48:58 <Notmyhandle>    From now on I call you Off Topic Proc
Sep 29 14:48:59 <Procyon>    I have to hit it dead on or it doesn't go.
Sep 29 14:49:07 <DrBob>    Shut up please :P
Sep 29 14:49:08 <Notmyhandle>    Just because I like to rhyme.
Sep 29 14:49:11 *    Prod sets mode +m #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 14:49:18 <DrBob>    I haven't really prepared much for this, so bear with me
Sep 29 14:49:21 <Procyon>    lol, come on, I have to go off-topic at least once, or you wouldn't think it was me.
Sep 29 14:49:38 *    Procyon is shutting up politely for DrBob
Sep 29 14:49:57 <DrBob>    Firstly, I should say that I'm currently quite pleased with how SW is looking; things are generally pretty, and Prod's done some nice work with subtoc recently
Sep 29 14:50:14 <Procyon>    (And the Move List project)
Sep 29 14:50:24 <DrBob>    Yes, although I haven't been keeping tabs on that
Sep 29 14:50:36 <Procyon>    It's all been in the past 24 hours actually.
Sep 29 14:50:49 <DrBob>    I'd like to propose that we change how the "image" parameter is dealt with for {{infobox}}
Sep 29 14:51:11 <DrBob>    Currently, you pass the following: |image=[[Image:goatse.jpg|250px]]
Sep 29 14:51:24 <DrBob>    This is wasteful, and it's easy for people to de-standardise the layout by forgetting the |250px
Sep 29 14:51:50 <Procyon>    agreed
Sep 29 14:51:56 <DrBob>    I propose that we just take the image name in the "image" parameter, and have a separate parameter for when guides need more flexibility
Sep 29 14:52:04 <DrBob>    Before we discuss this, some pros and cons:
Sep 29 14:52:14 <DrBob>    * Pro: More consistency, and slightly smaller pages
Sep 29 14:52:36 <DrBob>    * Con: Can't copy-and-paste from Wikipedia, and there's no way to do an easy, smooth and gradual transition
Sep 29 14:53:01 *    Prod sets mode -m #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 14:53:02 <Procyon>    That con is not a big deal to me personally... I never copy/paste infoboxes from them.  Does ayone else?
Sep 29 14:53:09 <Prod>    I do
Sep 29 14:53:10 <Skizzerz>    nope
Sep 29 14:53:14 <Rocky>    no
Sep 29 14:53:15 <Skizzerz>    they're too complicated
Sep 29 14:53:15 <Procyon>    oh
Sep 29 14:53:19 <DrBob>    Well, I believe quite a few guides are done that way, but they always get cleaned up anyway
Sep 29 14:53:23 <Prod>    and I'm sure lots of people do since i've seen quite a few
Sep 29 14:53:26 <Rocky>    copy info, not actually copy
Sep 29 14:53:33 <Skizzerz>    anyway, why not destandardise the [[Image: and ]] as well?
Sep 29 14:53:38 <Prod>    no, we copy from WP (we're allowed)
Sep 29 14:53:41 <Skizzerz>    they could easily be part of {{infobox}}
Sep 29 14:53:49 <DrBob>    Skizzerz: That's what I meant
Sep 29 14:54:02 <Prod>    so we would have |image=Pokemon boxart.jpg
Sep 29 14:54:03 <Skizzerz>    Prod: we don't "copy" from wp, we "import" from wp. huge difference GFDL-wise
Sep 29 14:54:05 <DrBob>    I should've been clearer. I propose we use the following syntax; |image=sheep.jpg
Sep 29 14:54:17 <Procyon>    agreed
Sep 29 14:54:20 <Prod>    (Skizzerz): not if we say From wikipedia:pagename
Sep 29 14:54:34 <Skizzerz>    true, but w/e
Sep 29 14:54:39 <Procyon>    That's how {{scrolling_map}} works.
Sep 29 14:54:40 <Prod>    as long as they have access to history and clear versions we're fine
Sep 29 14:54:50 <DrBob>    Proc: Precisely
Sep 29 14:55:07 <DrBob>    So, all in favour?
Sep 29 14:55:12 <Prod>    one thing
Sep 29 14:55:19 <Prod>    |imageparams?
Sep 29 14:55:21 <Procyon>    aye
Sep 29 14:55:30 <DrBob>    What would that be for?
Sep 29 14:55:43 <Skizzerz>    why not |imagesize ?
Sep 29 14:55:44 <Prod>    [[Image:{{{image}}}|{{{imageparams}}}]]
Sep 29 14:55:56 <DrBob>    Skizzerz: Because we want all the images standardised at 250px
Sep 29 14:56:18 <DrBob>    Prod: Why would anybody need to pass parameters?
Sep 29 14:56:43 <Prod>    override the size for extreme cases (bad images, etc)
Sep 29 14:56:53 <Prod>    just to keep the ability there
Sep 29 14:56:57 <DrBob>    Bad images should be replaced themselves, not worked-around in the infobox
Sep 29 14:57:14 <Prod>    what about caption?
Sep 29 14:57:20 <Prod>    can we work that into the infobox?
Sep 29 14:57:21 <DrBob>    That can be standardised using the game name
Sep 29 14:57:22 <Procyon>    caption??
Sep 29 14:57:30 <DrBob>    So in short, yes :)
Sep 29 14:57:35 <Procyon>    Why not {{PAGENAME}}?
Sep 29 14:57:44 <DrBob>    Because that would give "Template:Infobox"
Sep 29 14:57:48 <Prod>    [[Image:{{{image}}}|250px|{{PAGENAME}} box artwork]]
Sep 29 14:58:05 <DrBob>    s/{{PAGENAME}}/{{{game}}}
Sep 29 14:58:06 <Procyon>    uh-huh...?
Sep 29 14:58:14 <Prod>    (DrBob): yes
Sep 29 14:58:24 <Prod>    ok, so under those terms I agree
Sep 29 14:58:31 <DrBob>    Anybody else?
Sep 29 14:58:47 <Rocky>    been afk for a bit
Sep 29 14:58:57 <Rocky>    fixed up the cookie gif
Sep 29 14:59:11 <Rocky>    uloading now, what do u think?
Sep 29 14:59:20 <DrBob>    Can we finish this topic first please?
Sep 29 14:59:47 <DrBob>    We've got two votes in favour, and none against
Sep 29 14:59:50 <DrBob>    Passing...
Sep 29 14:59:51 <Prod>    all in favour of |image=[[Image:image.jpg|250px]] to |image=image.jpg say Aye
Sep 29 14:59:52 <DrBob>    Passing...
Sep 29 15:00:03 <DrBob>    Passing...
Sep 29 15:00:11 <Prod>    ok, we can pass that
Sep 29 15:00:14 <DrBob>    Passed!
Sep 29 15:00:32 <DrBob>    Right, the next thing I wanted to talk about was vaguely related to what Rocky just interrupted about
Sep 29 15:00:41 <Notmyhandle>    wait wait
Sep 29 15:00:41 <DrBob>    Namely, standardisation of images around the site.
Sep 29 15:00:45 <DrBob>    mmm?
Sep 29 15:00:48 *    ChanServ sets mode +n #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 15:00:48 *    ChanServ sets mode +t #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 15:00:48 *    ChanServ sets mode +r #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 15:00:48 *    ChanServ sets mode +q #SW-Meeting Prod
Sep 29 15:01:00 <Notmyhandle>    ok so u just want to get rid of the image size?
Sep 29 15:01:06 <Notmyhandle>    im confused 'cuz boxart is massive
Sep 29 15:01:10 <Procyon>    And the "Image:"
Sep 29 15:01:15 <DrBob>    And the brackets
Sep 29 15:01:20 <Notmyhandle>    but how do we specify size then
Sep 29 15:01:24 <Procyon>    Not "get rid of it"
Sep 29 15:01:25 <Prod>    it's automatic
Sep 29 15:01:25 <DrBob>    You *don't*!
Sep 29 15:01:27 <Notmyhandle>    k
Sep 29 15:01:32 <Prod>    stated in the infobox template itself
Sep 29 15:01:33 <Notmyhandle>    just making sure
Sep 29 15:01:34 <Procyon>    but standardize it by baking it into the template
Sep 29 15:01:36 <Notmyhandle>    yeah yeah
Sep 29 15:01:38 <Notmyhandle>    AYE
Sep 29 15:01:39 <DrBob>    At gas mark 4
Sep 29 15:01:40 <Prod>    ok
Sep 29 15:01:44 <DrBob>    Right
Sep 29 15:01:46 <DrBob>    Can I continue?
Sep 29 15:01:48 *    Prod sets mode +m #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 15:02:28 <DrBob>    Currently, we use images from billions of different sources, and although they look generally OK, I'd prefer it if they were more consistent. It would be better if Blendmaster were here, as I suspect he'd be doing most of the work (if he was OK with it), so there's probably not much to discuss
Sep 29 15:03:17 *    Prod sets mode -m #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 15:03:28 <Notmyhandle>    What images are you talking about?
Sep 29 15:03:31 <Notmyhandle>    All of them? Lawl
Sep 29 15:03:40 <DrBob>    Well, mainly the ones in Category:StrategyWiki_images
Sep 29 15:03:47 <DrBob>    The icons we use around the site and in templates
Sep 29 15:04:11 <Prod>    http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=Category%3AStrategyWiki+images
Sep 29 15:04:12 <Notmyhandle>    that's fine
Sep 29 15:04:35 <DrBob>    So, pending Blendmaster hearing about what I've just signed him up for, is everybody OK with that?
Sep 29 15:04:43 <Prod>    well
Sep 29 15:04:52 <Notmyhandle>    Btw, what did you have in mind for changes?
Sep 29 15:04:58 <Prod>    our svg status is right now garbage....
Sep 29 15:05:03 <DrBob>    The number one change would be to get all the systems done in {{icon}}
Sep 29 15:05:04 <Prod>    is there a reason for that?
Sep 29 15:05:10 <DrBob>    Talk to ness
Sep 29 15:05:14 <Notmyhandle>    Ness is here..
Sep 29 15:05:19 <DrBob>    Well talk then :P
Sep 29 15:05:27 <ness>    Hm?
Sep 29 15:05:33 <Prod>    svg problems
Sep 29 15:05:53 <Prod>    why is http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Image:0002.svg so ugly
Sep 29 15:06:30 <Rocky>    they're all blurred
Sep 29 15:06:35 <Notmyhandle>    um
Sep 29 15:06:39 <Rocky>    btw any1 seen this b4? http://media.strategywiki.org/images/8/8b/SW_logo.png
Sep 29 15:06:40 <Notmyhandle>    it isn't for me...
Sep 29 15:07:09 <Notmyhandle>    cool image
Sep 29 15:07:21 <Rocky>    yeh
Sep 29 15:07:26 <DrBob>    Yeah Prod, 0002 works fine for me
Sep 29 15:07:34 <Rocky>    not 4 me in ie
Sep 29 15:07:35 <Notmyhandle>    http://media.strategywiki.org/images/7/7a/0002.svg shows up as tiny
Sep 29 15:07:37 <Rocky>    but it's me
Sep 29 15:07:41 <Prod>    it's small
Sep 29 15:07:43 <Notmyhandle>    looks like we don't have a good SVG?
Sep 29 15:07:47 <Prod>    but when blown up, it looks blurry
Sep 29 15:07:48 <Rocky>    yes
Sep 29 15:07:48 <Notmyhandle>    it should be hi-res
Sep 29 15:08:00 <Notmyhandle>    maybe 'cuz we uploaded the tiny version instead of the big one
Sep 29 15:08:05 <Prod>    it's svg
Sep 29 15:08:07 <Rocky>    is was on CCI some time ago
Sep 29 15:08:08 <Prod>    size doesn't matter
Sep 29 15:08:09 <Rocky>    CI
Sep 29 15:08:11 <DrBob>    SVGs still have dimensions
Sep 29 15:08:14 <Notmyhandle>    yeah
Sep 29 15:08:21 <Prod>    these were copied from wp
Sep 29 15:08:25 <Prod>    and they look fine blown up there
Sep 29 15:08:31 <Notmyhandle>    but
Sep 29 15:08:36 <Notmyhandle>    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:50%25.svg has different ones than us
Sep 29 15:08:42 <Prod>    different names
Sep 29 15:08:44 <Prod>    same code
Sep 29 15:09:00 <Notmyhandle>    hm I see
Sep 29 15:09:03 <Notmyhandle>    I guess they are small.
Sep 29 15:09:14 <Notmyhandle>    um
Sep 29 15:09:17 <DrBob>    OK, we do have a problem: http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki:Sandbox
Sep 29 15:09:21 <Prod>    (ness): so do you know why there is a difference?
Sep 29 15:09:33 <Notmyhandle>    yeah that's damn blurry
Sep 29 15:09:45 <Notmyhandle>    maybe we need to upgade mediawiki?
Sep 29 15:09:57 <DrBob>    MW uses an external program to render the images
Sep 29 15:10:01 <Notmyhandle>    grade*
Sep 29 15:10:02 <ness>    True...
Sep 29 15:10:23 <ness>    I want to say ImageMagick, or a parameter of it, is at fault
Sep 29 15:10:44 <DrBob>    but...
Sep 29 15:11:06 <ness>    What makes tracking this bug down so hard is that, if it is a parameter, we don't know where it is/who is passing it. Is it a config file or MediaWiki?
Sep 29 15:11:17 <ness>    Or is it some elaborate bug in ImageMagick?
Sep 29 15:11:22 <DrBob>    Probably MW
Sep 29 15:11:28 <Notmyhandle>    Can we update IM?
Sep 29 15:11:30 <Rocky>    or blueecloud
Sep 29 15:11:30 <DrBob>    Unlikely to be IM; it's pretty stable
Sep 29 15:11:34 <DrBob>    Rocky: No
Sep 29 15:11:38 <Rocky>    k
Sep 29 15:12:08 <Prod>    $wgImageMagickConvertCommand
Sep 29 15:12:47 <DrBob>    So ness, you'll look into that? :)
Sep 29 15:12:49 <Prod>    (ness): can you check what that's set to?
Sep 29 15:13:00 <Skizzerz>    perhaps the svg is being interpreted as drawn w/ a fuzzy brush instead of a solid pixels?
Sep 29 15:13:07 <Notmyhandle>    can u use IM to manipulate the SW logo?
Sep 29 15:13:13 <Notmyhandle>    for skinning?
Sep 29 15:13:23 <Procyon>    What for?
Sep 29 15:13:31 <Notmyhandle>    so I don't have to create a new image
Sep 29 15:13:38 <Prod>    we might have an older version of imagemagick
Sep 29 15:13:39 <Procyon>    You won't have to
Sep 29 15:14:03 <Notmyhandle>    Proc: What? I'm talking about having a different image for a different skin than BC.
Sep 29 15:14:10 <Procyon>    Oh
Sep 29 15:14:39 <Notmyhandle>    Using IM would make it so we don't have to have an image uploaded to the site, or at least automate the process.  But I might as well just experiment with PS rather than IM code.
Sep 29 15:15:03 <DrBob>    NMH: Yes. Stick with PS.
Sep 29 15:15:54 <Procyon>    ok...
Sep 29 15:15:57 <Prod>    (ness): can you do a bit of debugging? (me and db are willing to help)
Sep 29 15:16:59 <Prod>    ok, me and db will talk to ness about this after
Sep 29 15:17:05 <Prod>    (DrBob): next issue?
Sep 29 15:17:14 <Notmyhandle>    SubToc!
Sep 29 15:17:16 <DrBob>    Right
Sep 29 15:17:19 <DrBob>    Not yet ;)
Sep 29 15:17:21 <Notmyhandle>    ='(
Sep 29 15:17:25 <Notmyhandle>    +M
Sep 29 15:17:26 <Prod>    still on infoboxes :)
Sep 29 15:17:30 *    Prod sets mode +m #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 15:17:36 <DrBob>    Actually, I've finished about infoboxes
Sep 29 15:17:41 <Procyon>    lol
Sep 29 15:17:47 <Prod>    wanna bring up |ratings?
Sep 29 15:17:48 <DrBob>    I'm now onto a proposed maintenance template redux
Sep 29 15:18:02 <ness>    Sure, I'll take a look
Sep 29 15:18:03 <DrBob>    I'm not sure what you want to do with that though, so I couldn't really bring it up myself
Sep 29 15:18:20 <Prod>    kk, i'll bring it up after
Sep 29 15:18:24 <DrBob>    Right-ho
Sep 29 15:18:25 <Procyon>    We'll let Prod go after, ad he can discuss subToc as well.
Sep 29 15:18:27 <Prod>    (ness): thanks, ms us on msn
Sep 29 15:18:31 <Procyon>    Prod is like his own sub-comittee.
Sep 29 15:18:35 <Prod>    lol
Sep 29 15:18:38 <DrBob>    Aaaaanyway...
Sep 29 15:19:00 <DrBob>    I plan to look into redesigning the appearance of the maintenance templates so that they're a little less bland
Sep 29 15:19:20 <DrBob>    Their contrast isn't the best, and they're a little tired-looking
Sep 29 15:19:26 <Procyon>    agreed
Sep 29 15:19:42 <DrBob>    I'm not quite sure what I'm aiming for, but what WP's done with theirs is quite nice, although I wouldn't presume to copy them
Sep 29 15:20:13 <DrBob>    Anybody got any ideas or suggestions?
Sep 29 15:20:17 *    Prod sets mode -m #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 15:20:29 <Skizzerz>    *yawns*
Sep 29 15:20:36 <Rocky>    artwork in the infobox bar
Sep 29 15:20:39 <Procyon>    Maybe something subtly animated?
Sep 29 15:20:47 <Skizzerz>    perhaps
Sep 29 15:20:52 <Procyon>    Not distracting but eye catching.
Sep 29 15:20:53 <Skizzerz>    Rocky: ???
Sep 29 15:20:57 <Rocky>    or just a colur
Sep 29 15:21:07 <Procyon>    DrBob: Does this at all relate to your newly created category?
Sep 29 15:21:11 <DrBob>    Proc: That may be a little harder, but I'm not going to rule it out
Sep 29 15:21:22 <Rocky>    oh
Sep 29 15:21:22 *    DrBob has quit (Connection reset by peer)
Sep 29 15:21:25 <Rocky>    lol
Sep 29 15:21:26 <Procyon>    lmao!
Sep 29 15:21:28 <Skizzerz>    animated images are quite easy to make in gimp...
Sep 29 15:21:30 <Rocky>    xD
Sep 29 15:21:34 <Rocky>    yeh
Sep 29 15:21:47 <Prod>    lets stay away from animations...
Sep 29 15:21:55 <Skizzerz>    if even just a bit?
Sep 29 15:21:56 <Notmyhandle>    Skizz: And PS
Sep 29 15:22:00 *    DrBob has joined #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 15:22:01 <Skizzerz>    wb DrBob
Sep 29 15:22:02 <Rocky>    put a color in the top bar of the infobox
Sep 29 15:22:03 <Procyon>    Until DrBob gets back, has anyone had a look at [[Street Fighter II/Characters/Ryu]]?
Sep 29 15:22:05 <DrBob>    Damn internet
Sep 29 15:22:07 <DrBob>    My newly-created category was just a rename of Category:Help_wanted
Sep 29 15:22:07 <Procyon>    Oh, nvm
Sep 29 15:22:17 <Rocky>    btw
Sep 29 15:22:23 <Rocky>    i uploaded a better cookie
Sep 29 15:22:33 <DrBob>    We know. Any more ideas from anyone?
Sep 29 15:22:48 <Rocky>    ... well round edges
Sep 29 15:23:04 <DrBob>    Possibly, although it's easy to go overboard with them
Sep 29 15:23:05 <Notmyhandle>    We need an SVG cookie some time once that engine gets fixed
Sep 29 15:23:27 <DrBob>    Right, onto my next item
Sep 29 15:24:04 <DrBob>    Well, actually, it's not really an item; more a general question to you all: are there any templates you find awkward (either to use, or to look at), which you think could be improved?
Sep 29 15:24:38 <Procyon>    not personally.
Sep 29 15:24:43 <Rocky>    err...
Sep 29 15:24:56 <Prod>    some of the warning templates are hard to find
Sep 29 15:24:58 <Rocky>    well, i don't get RD, but i don't use it much
Sep 29 15:25:02 <Rocky>    and welcomes
Sep 29 15:25:07 <Notmyhandle>    RD is simple
Sep 29 15:25:13 <Procyon>    RD?
Sep 29 15:25:13 <Rocky>    i don't use it much
Sep 29 15:25:22 <Prod>    release date template
Sep 29 15:25:23 <Notmyhandle>    RD = {{Region|Year|Month Day}}
Sep 29 15:25:26 <Procyon>    oh oh
Sep 29 15:25:28 <DrBob>    Prod: Agreed, but there's not much more I can do; they're all in Category:Message_templates, or should be
Sep 29 15:25:43 <Notmyhandle>    Prod: Put a link on ur user page to it
Sep 29 15:25:46 <Procyon>    Actually, I do want to ask one thing...
Sep 29 15:25:46 <Notmyhandle>    so u nevar forget
Sep 29 15:26:02 <Prod>    what about a guide page for admins?
Sep 29 15:26:08 <Rocky>    on WP
Sep 29 15:26:15 <Rocky>    justlink there
Sep 29 15:26:23 <DrBob>    Prod: I was thinking about that a while ago, actually. That would be a good idea.
Sep 29 15:26:38 <Procyon>    I know that we disdain putting Categories inside of the infobox, but is it anyone else's general observation that almost everything in the infobox becomes a category later on?  especially systems, developers, publishers, and RDs?
Sep 29 15:26:44 <Notmyhandle>    We still need to finish SW Guide
Sep 29 15:26:52 <DrBob>    Proc: Yes
Sep 29 15:26:56 <Rocky>    yes
Sep 29 15:26:58 <Prod>    rd's we have to avoid because there are more than one
Sep 29 15:26:58 <Notmyhandle>    And add all those nuances to policy pages and other guide pages
Sep 29 15:27:06 <DrBob>    But we can't do what you're thinking about, because they're lists ;)
Sep 29 15:27:12 *    Skizzerz could write the admin guide page
Sep 29 15:27:17 <Procyon>    I wasn't thinking that...
Sep 29 15:27:24 <DrBob>    NMH: We're supposed to add them as we go along and make them up ;)
Sep 29 15:27:28 <Procyon>    Just wondering if there was an alternate approach.
Sep 29 15:27:29 <Skizzerz>    but a b-crat would be needed for things such as Special:Userrights
Sep 29 15:27:36 <DrBob>    Skizzerz: Feel free
Sep 29 15:27:39 <Procyon>    i.e. using Categories to populate infoboxes...
Sep 29 15:27:45 <DrBob>    hmmm
Sep 29 15:27:47 <Rocky>    yeh
Sep 29 15:27:47 <Skizzerz>    *documentation for Special:Userrights... namely screenies
Sep 29 15:27:59 *    Skizzerz gets to work on that then
Sep 29 15:28:04 <DrBob>    Skizzerz: Probably won't need screenies; we're not idiots :P
Sep 29 15:28:09 <Skizzerz>    :)
Sep 29 15:28:13 <Skizzerz>    but images are nice
Sep 29 15:28:14 <DrBob>    Proc: I'm not aware of any way that's possible
Sep 29 15:28:16 <Charitwo>    you guys can adapt ours for admin documention
Sep 29 15:28:28 <Procyon>    DrBob, figured as much.
Sep 29 15:28:28 <Skizzerz>    NEVAH! :P
Sep 29 15:28:41 <Prod>    admin docs would probably be in one page
Sep 29 15:28:45 <DrBob>    Yes
Sep 29 15:28:47 <Skizzerz>    yes
Sep 29 15:28:48 <Procyon>    Charitwo: You have the ick of wickia on you now.
Sep 29 15:28:48 <Prod>    since most of the stuff is already everywhere else
Sep 29 15:28:54 <Prod>    it would come down to guides for page deletion
Sep 29 15:29:03 <Skizzerz>    Procyon: wikia doesn't have a "c" in it
Sep 29 15:29:04 <Prod>    updating promising guides
Sep 29 15:29:05 <Notmyhandle>    Proc: We can smell it.
Sep 29 15:29:06 <Prod>    things like that
Sep 29 15:29:09 <Procyon>    that was a joke.
Sep 29 15:29:24 *    Procyon hates wikia
Sep 29 15:29:28 <DrBob>    Prod: Also, guides on ban lengths, and what to ban for, what to warn for, etc.
Sep 29 15:29:30 <Charitwo>    we are special.... we aren't like other wikia wikis :)
Sep 29 15:29:36 <Charitwo>    we even have our own server
Sep 29 15:29:42 <DrBob>    Right, onto my final point, which is actually my most serious
Sep 29 15:29:45 <Procyon>    Charitwo: Really?  How'd you swing that?
Sep 29 15:29:53 <DrBob>    Unless anyone else has any template issues
Sep 29 15:29:59 <Procyon>    Not I
Sep 29 15:30:02 <Prod>    i think that's about it
Sep 29 15:30:03 <Skizzerz>    Procyon: off topic, discuss elsewhere, please
Sep 29 15:30:54 <DrBob>    OK. What actually is my job? :P
Sep 29 15:31:00 <Procyon>    o_O
Sep 29 15:31:06 <Rocky>    ur the doctor
Sep 29 15:31:09 <Procyon>    lol
Sep 29 15:31:12 <Charitwo>    maid?
Sep 29 15:31:14 <DrBob>    I wasn't here for the meeting where I was appointed :D
Sep 29 15:31:23 <Procyon>    ok, lemme look at the old log...
Sep 29 15:31:48 <Prod>    ok, assumiing Procyon lets him know, what's next?
Sep 29 15:32:04 <Skizzerz>    IIRC, it's about how the site should look and feel
Sep 29 15:32:45 <Procyon>    No,
Sep 29 15:32:48 <Prod>    (DrBob): any thing else you'd like to bring up?
Sep 29 15:32:53 <ness>    how much longer is the meeting going to last? I'm planning on doing a full restart to apply the changes I made to the server
Sep 29 15:32:54 <Procyon>    primarily: content standards.
Sep 29 15:32:54 <DrBob>    Nope; I'm done :)
Sep 29 15:33:08 <Rocky>    todo
Sep 29 15:33:12 <Prod>    ok, I guess it's my turn then :)
Sep 29 15:33:14 <Rocky>    we need to standardise that
Sep 29 15:33:16 <Procyon>    That's the initial response, let me see if I can find more.
Sep 29 15:33:26 <Skizzerz>    ness: shouldn't be much longer
Sep 29 15:33:33 <Prod>    ness, hopefully less than 30 mins :/
Sep 29 15:33:47 <DrBob>    Rocky: Noted, thank you, although you are 5 minutes late with it :P
Sep 29 15:33:48 <Prod>    5pm est we end for sure
Sep 29 15:34:05 <ness>    alrighty.
Sep 29 15:34:05 <Prod>    ok, so next up is subtoc(2)
Sep 29 15:34:14 <Prod>    should we implement?
Sep 29 15:34:35 <Prod>    excluding colors and layout, this is regarding the template in general
Sep 29 15:34:49 <Notmyhandle>    awww I wanted to discuss the look
Sep 29 15:34:51 <Rocky>    what about games with 2 expansions
Sep 29 15:34:57 <Notmyhandle>    You can have more than one
Sep 29 15:34:59 <DrBob>    Use subtoc twice
Sep 29 15:35:05 <Prod>    check out [[Street Fighter II]]
Sep 29 15:35:09 <Prod>    it has 5 "expansions"
Sep 29 15:35:13 <Rocky>    but won't both automatically be open
Sep 29 15:35:26 *    ness has left #SW-Meeting (Leaving)
Sep 29 15:35:34 <Prod>    another one to check is [[Command & Conquer: Generals]]
Sep 29 15:35:46 <Prod>    (Rocky): only the current game is shown
Sep 29 15:35:46 <Notmyhandle>    Um
Sep 29 15:35:48 <Prod>    all others are hidden
Sep 29 15:35:49 <DrBob>    Looks good to me
Sep 29 15:35:50 <Rocky>    that's just got zero hour
Sep 29 15:36:01 <Notmyhandle>    SFII doesn't need Subtoc2 because the "expansions" don't have content
Sep 29 15:36:06 <Prod>    they will
Sep 29 15:36:07 <Prod>    soon
Sep 29 15:36:08 <Notmyhandle>    k
Sep 29 15:36:09 <Prod>    or might
Sep 29 15:36:12 <Rocky>    SFII doesn't work 4 me
Sep 29 15:36:17 <Prod>    we haven't wokred it out yet
Sep 29 15:36:18 <Notmyhandle>    ?
Sep 29 15:36:23 <Rocky>    none of the more's get anything
Sep 29 15:36:31 <Prod>    (Rocky): yea they're empty
Sep 29 15:36:33 <Notmyhandle>    they dont have anything
Sep 29 15:36:36 <Rocky>    oh
Sep 29 15:36:37 <Notmyhandle>    thats what I just said
Sep 29 15:36:47 <Prod>    lemme put something in them
Sep 29 15:37:01 <Notmyhandle>    I suggest we remove the boxes
Sep 29 15:37:01 <Notmyhandle>    around them
Sep 29 15:37:13 <DrBob>    "excluding colors and layout"
Sep 29 15:37:16 <Notmyhandle>    We never used boxes to separate expansions before
Sep 29 15:37:26 <Notmyhandle>    We aren't talking about anything else DB <_< >_>
Sep 29 15:37:36 <Prod>    (Rocky): try it now
Sep 29 15:37:41 <Rocky>    what were u talking about b4 i came
Sep 29 15:37:50 <Prod>    (Rocky): we'll put up logs
Sep 29 15:38:02 <Rocky>    of the #Strategywiki
Sep 29 15:38:25 *    Procyon still has the log from the last meeting that he never did anything with. Taking minutes is painful.
Sep 29 15:38:46 <Prod>    So, everyone is ok with us expanding the use of {{subtoc}} to all games with expansions (within reason)
Sep 29 15:38:49 <Procyon>    Prod, look at http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Super_Street_Fighter_II_Turbo_Revival
Sep 29 15:38:52 <DrBob>    Yea
Sep 29 15:38:53 <Rocky>    yeh
Sep 29 15:38:54 <Rocky>    sure
Sep 29 15:38:58 <Prod>    things like super mario are fine without
Sep 29 15:39:04 <Procyon>    I'm not sure that works well.
Sep 29 15:39:09 *    Prod checks
Sep 29 15:39:27 <Prod>    that's a problem with the toc placement itself
Sep 29 15:39:31 <Prod>    the page needs a CN
Sep 29 15:39:51 <Prod>    notice how Appendices is pushed down too?
Sep 29 15:40:00 <Procyon>    yeah...
Sep 29 15:40:16 <Procyon>    Can we have an honest discussion about those pages for a moment though?
Sep 29 15:40:29 <Prod>    sf2 specifically?
Sep 29 15:40:33 <Procyon>    I'm not sure how much more content we can add to any of those pages.
Sep 29 15:40:42 <Procyon>    Yes, the guide for the SF2 series in general.
Sep 29 15:41:04 <Prod>    well, I set up sf2 simply for demo
Sep 29 15:41:12 <Procyon>    It is my theory that the "average joe" is going to visit those pages for one reason and one reason only: to learn the moves.
Sep 29 15:41:55 <Procyon>    Now, we have the moves, we have a brief description about the games themselves, we even have a secrets section and a dedicated page for every character in the series...
Sep 29 15:42:18 <Procyon>    I'm not sure how much more we could possibly add.  Even if you wanted to get hardcore and add combos, they could easily go on the character pages.
Sep 29 15:42:41 <Notmyhandle>    Some day there will be guides for fighting
Sep 29 15:42:42 <Procyon>    Does anyone else know how those guides could be expanded?
Sep 29 15:42:49 <Notmyhandle>    Such as learning the animation connection points
Sep 29 15:42:53 <Notmyhandle>    And glitches to do better
Sep 29 15:43:02 <DrBob>    Proc: Fill them with hot air XD
Sep 29 15:43:05 <Procyon>    You mean character A vs. character B?
Sep 29 15:43:09 <Notmyhandle>    Pro fighting gamers know what I mean
Sep 29 15:43:10 <Notmyhandle>    Yeah
Sep 29 15:43:15 <Notmyhandle>    But technically it gets really in depth
Sep 29 15:43:52 <Procyon>    I suppose.
Sep 29 15:44:08 <Procyon>    Which is why, Prod, while I think the SubToc is a fantastic idea,
Sep 29 15:44:16 <Procyon>    and potentially useful in all sorts of guides,
Sep 29 15:44:24 <Procyon>    I think it doesn't find its target audience in SF2.
Sep 29 15:44:40 <Prod>    now you know why I said toc was separate from the page rearranging discussion
Sep 29 15:44:58 <Prod>    I've actually got an idea for them, but we can do that later
Sep 29 15:45:11 <Prod>    ok, so next topic is back at infoboxes
Sep 29 15:45:24 <Procyon>    I think one of the problems is that we don't necessarily have a good standard for a group of pages that are meant to be part of a "series" as opposed to a collection of pages for one game.
Sep 29 15:45:53 <Notmyhandle>    we have cats XD
Sep 29 15:46:07 <Procyon>    Much of the strategy that applies to, say, SF2T also applies to SSF2... and we want to avoid redundancy./
Sep 29 15:46:22 <Procyon>    But yeah, this could spin off to a huge discussion, so I'll shelve it for now.
Sep 29 15:46:43 <Prod>    kk, there's plenty to say about that actually, but we have 20 mins left
Sep 29 15:46:49 <Prod>    so next thing is the infobox
Sep 29 15:46:52 <Procyon>    Yeah, go o.
Sep 29 15:46:53 <Procyon>    n
Sep 29 15:47:13 <Prod>    right now we have |ESRB, |PEGI, |CERO and a whole bunch of other rating things
Sep 29 15:47:32 <Prod>    for simplicity, I'm proposing we put them all under |ratings in the following fashion
Sep 29 15:47:39 <Prod>    |ratings={{ESRB|T}}{{CERO|A}}
Sep 29 15:47:42 <Prod>    that way
Sep 29 15:47:48 <Prod>    it's also compatible with {{sys}}
Sep 29 15:47:54 <Notmyhandle>    Agreed
Sep 29 15:47:59 <Prod>    so that if the game was rated differently o n different systems
Sep 29 15:48:00 <Prod>    we can show it
Sep 29 15:48:06 <Skizzerz>    sure, that sounds fine
Sep 29 15:48:13 <Procyon>    agreed
Sep 29 15:48:14 <DrBob>    I did argue against this before, but now I'm ambivalent
Sep 29 15:48:18 <Skizzerz>    plus, having twenty params is confusing
Sep 29 15:48:20 <Procyon>    why DrBob?
Sep 29 15:48:25 <Rocky>    btw CERO and the like aren't protected, want me to do it?
Sep 29 15:48:33 <Prod>    not really
Sep 29 15:48:38 <Procyon>    Rocky is the "Protector!"
Sep 29 15:48:39 <DrBob>    nm
Sep 29 15:48:49 <Prod>    they're too far away for basic vandals to find them
Sep 29 15:49:03 <Prod>    but I guess
Sep 29 15:49:06 <Prod>    they'll be used often
Sep 29 15:49:08 <Prod>    so why not
Sep 29 15:49:11 <Rocky>    kk
Sep 29 15:49:15 <Rocky>    cya
Sep 29 15:49:44 <Prod>    ok, so, anything else to discuss?
Sep 29 15:49:44 <DrBob>    +1 from me
Sep 29 15:49:45 <Rocky>    it's a bit like the templates on the main page
Sep 29 15:50:45 <Prod>    going once
Sep 29 15:50:49 <Prod>    going twice
Sep 29 15:50:54 <Prod>    Ok
Sep 29 15:50:55 <DrBob>    I object!
Sep 29 15:50:57 <Prod>    thanks for coming everyone
Sep 29 15:51:03 <Procyon>    Wait,
Sep 29 15:51:05 <DrBob>    Sorry, no I don't...I just wanted to shout that out
Sep 29 15:51:08 <Prod>    anything anyone wants to show off?
Sep 29 15:51:09 <Prod>    :)
Sep 29 15:51:15 <Procyon>    can I get opinions about [[Street Fighter II/Characters/Ryu]]?
Sep 29 15:51:19 <Prod>    (DrBob): thought as much :)
Sep 29 15:51:19 <Charitwo>    Charitwo for sysop!
Sep 29 15:51:25 <Procyon>    This is a purely selfish request, and not a meeting matter.
Sep 29 15:51:40 <Prod>    (Procyon): .:16·46·29:. «~Prod» anything anyone wants to show off?
Sep 29 15:51:41 <Skizzerz>    Charitwo: we do have an RfA process...
Sep 29 15:51:42 <DrBob>    schweet
Sep 29 15:51:43 <Rocky>    first self-nom
Sep 29 15:51:49 <Rocky>    and the first failed
Sep 29 15:51:54 <Procyon>    lmao
Sep 29 15:51:55 <Skizzerz>    lol
Sep 29 15:51:56 <DrBob>    Skizzerz: Even if it is hellishly complex XD
Sep 29 15:52:06 <Charitwo>    i know, i just felt like playing off Prod's show off
Sep 29 15:52:09 <Skizzerz>    what, no that's featured guides, not request for adminship :)
Sep 29 15:52:19 <Procyon>    It's both.
Sep 29 15:52:20 <DrBob>    No, RfA is more complex than featured guides
Sep 29 15:52:22 <Skizzerz>    featured guides has about ten templates xD
Sep 29 15:52:22 <Prod>    http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_II/Characters/Ryu
Sep 29 15:52:23 <Rocky>    nah
Sep 29 15:52:25 <DrBob>    RfA was copied straight from WP
Sep 29 15:52:27 <Skizzerz>    DrBob: no, it isn't
Sep 29 15:52:32 <DrBob>    Yes, it is
Sep 29 15:52:33 <Procyon>    Actually, speaking of featured guides,
Sep 29 15:52:43 <Procyon>    if I got all 17 characters to the level of quality of Ryu,
Sep 29 15:52:52 <Skizzerz>    featured guides has a timed bar that changes colors as days pass
Sep 29 15:52:58 <Procyon>    I'd like to propose the SF2 series for featured nomination.
Sep 29 15:53:02 <DrBob>    That makes things simpler, Skizzerz ;)
Sep 29 15:53:08 <Skizzerz>    uh, then propose it :)
Sep 29 15:53:10 <DrBob>    Proc: I wouldn't object to that
Sep 29 15:53:15 <Prod>    i'd support :D
Sep 29 15:53:16 <Rocky>    gr8
Sep 29 15:53:22 <Rocky>    so wood i
Sep 29 15:53:22 <Prod>    considering I helped :)
Sep 29 15:53:23 <Procyon>    Skiz: I just wanted people's opinions on the matter, that's all.
Sep 29 15:53:33 <Skizzerz>    we need an RfB though :)
Sep 29 15:53:47 <Rocky>    no need rly
Sep 29 15:53:53 <Skizzerz>    ya
Sep 29 15:53:56 <Prod>    oh yea
Sep 29 15:53:57 <Rocky>    why do we need more crats
Sep 29 15:53:58 <Procyon>    Request for what?
Sep 29 15:53:59 <Prod>    one other thing
Sep 29 15:53:59 *    Skizzerz wants more of teh powerz
Sep 29 15:54:02 <Prod>   
Sep 29 15:54:03 <Rocky>    lol
Sep 29 15:54:05 <Prod>   
Sep 29 15:54:05 <DrBob>    No we don't :P
Sep 29 15:54:11 <DrBob>    And anyway, I'd turn you all down
Sep 29 15:54:12 <Rocky>    all u get is lockdb
Sep 29 15:54:14 <Charitwo>    why? only thing that crats get extra is user rights and renames(which don't work)
Sep 29 15:54:14 <Procyon>    Oh, Beaurocrat?
Sep 29 15:54:15 <DrBob>    More power for me! Haha!
Sep 29 15:54:21 <Skizzerz>    uh, Special:Userrights is b-crat
Sep 29 15:54:24 <Rocky>    and lockdb
Sep 29 15:54:25 <DrBob>    Mine! Mine! All mine! :D
Sep 29 15:54:31 <Charitwo>    you need a pass for lockdb
Sep 29 15:54:33 <Prod>      EVERYONE VOTE FOR PGotM and CotM 
Sep 29 15:54:34 <Prod>      EVERYONE VOTE FOR PGotM and CotM  
Sep 29 15:54:34 <Prod>      EVERYONE VOTE FOR PGotM and CotM  
Sep 29 15:54:34 <Prod>       EVERYONE VOTE FOR PGotM and CotM 
Sep 29 15:54:37 <DrBob>    ...and Garrett's...and echelon's
Sep 29 15:54:43 <Procyon>    lol!  Nice Prod :)
Sep 29 15:54:45 <Notmyhandle>    Yes Sir
Sep 29 15:54:46 <Prod>    :)
Sep 29 15:54:50 <Rocky>    never
Sep 29 15:54:54 <Rocky>    maplestory
Sep 29 15:54:58 <Skizzerz>    nice job, now how's that going to be logged?
Sep 29 15:54:58 <Procyon>    I think eventually, as we get more sys-ops, more of us will move up.
Sep 29 15:55:07 <DrBob>    Proc: There's no need
Sep 29 15:55:13 <Rocky>    no need
Sep 29 15:55:14 <Procyon>    Ech offered B-crat to me, but I was like, I don't need the extra stress.  I want to focus on content.
Sep 29 15:55:31 <DrBob>    The more bureaucrats there are, the more chance one will go bad
Sep 29 15:55:34 <Rocky>    isn't it the same thing
Sep 29 15:55:41 <Procyon>    A ROGUE B-CRAT!
Sep 29 15:55:41 <Prod>    .:16·46·18:. «~Prod» thanks for coming everyone
Sep 29 15:55:44 <DrBob>    And then it'll be like an episode of "When bureaucrats go bad"
Sep 29 15:55:45 <Prod>    that was the end of the meeting
Sep 29 15:55:47 <Rocky>    crat isn't server access IIRC
Sep 29 15:55:48 <Procyon>    Yeah, thanks everyone.
Sep 29 15:55:49 *    Skizzerz would NEVER go bad... if he did, he'd lose powers
Sep 29 15:55:50 <Charitwo>    prod we have 9 minutes!
Sep 29 15:56:04 <Notmyhandle>    We need server backups
Sep 29 15:56:05 <Procyon>    Charitwo: Then I know how I would spend those 9 minutes if I were you... ;)
Sep 29 15:56:10 <DrBob>    Rocky: Not explicitly, but all current b'crats do have it
Sep 29 15:56:15 <Charitwo>     /disconnect-all
Sep 29 15:56:16 <Procyon>    NMH is right, I'll talk to ech about it.
Sep 29 15:56:19 <Charitwo>    >:O
Sep 29 15:56:19 <Notmyhandle>    Procyon: That seems like a Prod comment to me.
Sep 29 15:56:23 <Rocky>    does garrett
Sep 29 15:56:24 <Procyon>    We got him to finally add that donate button...
Sep 29 15:56:24 <Prod>    lol
Sep 29 15:56:32 <Notmyhandle>    Yay donations yay
Sep 29 15:56:33 <Procyon>    NMH: I've been spending too much time with Prod lately.
Sep 29 15:56:38 <Notmyhandle>    I know u have
Sep 29 15:56:39 <Notmyhandle>    ;)
Sep 29 15:56:42 <Rocky>    thought he didn't
Sep 29 15:56:44 <DrBob>    Where's the donate button
Sep 29 15:56:44 <DrBob>    ?
Sep 29 15:56:45 <Procyon>    Ba-ZING!
Sep 29 15:56:51 <Charitwo>    on the sidebar
Sep 29 15:56:53 <Procyon>    DrBob: left
Sep 29 15:56:54 <Notmyhandle>    A w00000ga
Sep 29 15:56:59 <DrBob>    eh?
Sep 29 15:57:02 <DrBob>    I see no donate button
Sep 29 15:57:04 <Rocky>    btw
Sep 29 15:57:05 <Charitwo>    between Upload File and Help
Sep 29 15:57:08 <Procyon>    Above "Help"
Sep 29 15:57:09 <Notmyhandle>    It's a LINK
Sep 29 15:57:14 <Rocky>    click donate on the left
Sep 29 15:57:17 <DrBob>    Oh, right
Sep 29 15:57:20 <Notmyhandle>    no left
Sep 29 15:57:21 <Rocky>    there's a button on my user page
Sep 29 15:57:23 <DrBob>    Not actually a _button_, then
Sep 29 15:57:26 <Charitwo>    we tried turning it into a button and it didnt work
Sep 29 15:57:27 <Rocky>    it is
Sep 29 15:57:29 <Procyon>    Oh!  DrBob!
Sep 29 15:57:32 <Skizzerz>    there's a button on the page itself
Sep 29 15:57:32 <Rocky>    i made it
Sep 29 15:57:33 <Procyon>    I wanted to ask you about that!
Sep 29 15:57:34 <DrBob>    Oh! Yes!
Sep 29 15:57:36 <Skizzerz>    no, i made it
Sep 29 15:57:44 <Rocky>    look @ my user page
Sep 29 15:57:48 <Skizzerz>    oh, that one
Sep 29 15:57:52 *    Skizzerz still claims credit
Sep 29 15:57:58 <Procyon>    I tried to add the image to the nav-bar, but naturally, it didn't work.  Do you know how to remedy that?
Sep 29 15:58:05 <DrBob>    What did you try?
Sep 29 15:58:18 <Rocky>    did u try external link
Sep 29 15:58:27 <DrBob>    Rocky: Shut up please
Sep 29 15:58:29 <Skizzerz>    uh, Rocky, how did you manage that?
Sep 29 15:58:32 <Procyon>    both [[image: and external
Sep 29 15:58:42 <DrBob>    What did you edit? :P
Sep 29 15:58:53 <Procyon>    drbob: sorry man, I'm looking for it, bare with me.
Sep 29 15:58:58 <Rocky>    mediawiki: something]
Sep 29 15:58:58 <Skizzerz>    remind me to delete NewMsg
Sep 29 15:59:00 <DrBob>    *bear
Sep 29 15:59:05 <Procyon>    9_9
Sep 29 15:59:05 <Skizzerz>    MediaWiki:Sidebar
Sep 29 15:59:12 <Procyon>    That's the one.
Sep 29 15:59:18 <DrBob>    k
Sep 29 15:59:25 <DrBob>    I'll take a look
Sep 29 15:59:34 <Procyon>    You'll see my failed attempt in the history
Sep 29 15:59:47 <Procyon>    Sept. 3-4
Sep 29 16:00:04 <DrBob>    O RLY?
Sep 29 16:00:10 <Procyon>    WAI!
Sep 29 16:00:11 <Skizzerz>    i thought of a work-around, but show preview doesn't work..
Sep 29 16:00:19 <Skizzerz>    and I didn't know if it would work or not
Sep 29 16:00:25 *    Procyon shakes his fist at Show Preview...
Sep 29 16:00:41 <Skizzerz>    because I'm assuming it just wraps everything in [[ and ]], i thought about:
Sep 29 16:01:06 <Rocky>    ]] pic then [[
Sep 29 16:01:07 <DrBob>    Skizzerz: It won't
Sep 29 16:01:11 *    Procyon has to let the dog out.
Sep 29 16:01:17 <Skizzerz>    good thing I didn't try then :)
Sep 29 16:01:20 <Prod>    who let the dogs out!
Sep 29 16:01:21 <Prod>    who
Sep 29 16:01:22 <Prod>    who
Sep 29 16:01:23 <Prod>    who
Sep 29 16:01:28 <Procyon>    Hey, are you guys gonna be on here more often?
Sep 29 16:01:38 <Procyon>    We had a good turn out for a while, then everyone disappeared...
Sep 29 16:01:43 <Procyon>    right around when school started...
Sep 29 16:01:45 <Prod>    work started for me :P
Sep 29 16:01:56 *    Procyon is starting to suspect that you have all been going to SCHOOL!
Sep 29 16:02:02 <Prod>    :-O
Sep 29 16:02:05 <Prod>    weirdos!
Sep 29 16:02:17 *    Procyon points an accusatory finger at all of you... except Prod.
Sep 29 16:02:24 <DrBob>    Proc: I don't think it'll be possible to add the image to the sidebar like that; for one thing MW:Sidebar controls the bulleted menu, and you don't want the image in there
Sep 29 16:02:34 <DrBob>    It'll probably have to be done by editing the skin
Sep 29 16:02:36 <Prod>    why not put the button on the right side?
Sep 29 16:02:38 <Procyon>    I see.
Sep 29 16:02:40 <Prod>    like every other website?
Sep 29 16:02:47 <Prod>    but yes
Sep 29 16:02:51 <Prod>    has to be done from the .php file
Sep 29 16:03:04 <Procyon>    I dunno... I think it's good where it is, and maybe less suspect as a plain ordinary link.
Sep 29 16:03:18 <Procyon>    Not too "loud"
Sep 29 16:03:23 <DrBob>    True, but (as I found out) not very obvious
Sep 29 16:03:36 <Procyon>    That's the other problem... maybe a note in the front page would help.
Sep 29 16:03:45 <Procyon>    Hell, WP puts a note at the top of every fricken page...
Sep 29 16:03:46 <DrBob>    People typically need prompting by an image such as that to think "ooh, I should donate"
Sep 29 16:03:54 <Procyon>    One note in the front page couldn't hurt.
Sep 29 16:03:59 <Prod>    (Procyon): that's only if you're not logged in
Sep 29 16:03:59 <DrBob>    Proc: We're not going on a donation drive
Sep 29 16:04:01 <Rocky>    mediawiki:sitenotice?
Sep 29 16:04:08 <Procyon>    No, I know.
Sep 29 16:04:13 <Procyon>    OK, the dog's getting pissed.
Sep 29 16:04:18 <DrBob>    So we don't need obtrusive messages ;)
Sep 29 16:04:25 <Procyon>    I'll catch you guys online.  Hopefully on here more often too.
Sep 29 16:04:30 <DrBob>    k
Sep 29 16:04:31 <Rocky>    hey...
Sep 29 16:04:32 <Procyon>    cya
Sep 29 16:04:36 <DrBob>    Bye
Sep 29 16:04:38 <Rocky>    ya know the infobox templates
Sep 29 16:04:41 <Rocky>    cya
Sep 29 16:04:43 <Charitwo>    something along the lines of "Your continued donations help keep StrategyWiki running!"
Sep 29 16:04:48 *    Procyon has quit (Quit: )
Sep 29 16:04:49 <Rocky>    RSACV doesn't exist
Sep 29 16:04:54 <Prod>    you know, if you type /quite <username> you can kick others off?
Sep 29 16:05:02 *    Prod has quit (Quit: * .•«UPP»•.)
Sep 29 16:05:18 *    Charitwo has left #SW-Meeting
Sep 29 16:05:25 <Skizzerz>    quite?
Sep 29 16:05:31 <DrBob>    Indeed
Sep 29 16:05:42 <Skizzerz>    grr.... Prod didn't drop before he "quite"
Sep 29 16:05:50 <DrBob>    ;)
Sep 29 16:05:52 <Rocky>    lol
Sep 29 16:06:04 <Skizzerz>    actually, I wanted b-crat more for the extra powers on IRC than on sw :P
Sep 29 16:06:10 <Rocky>    the templates in the infobox
Sep 29 16:06:13 <DrBob>    AHA!
Sep 29 16:06:16 <Rocky>    RSACS
Sep 29 16:06:22 <DrBob>    I knew you were up to no good, Skizzerz
Sep 29 16:06:23 <Rocky>    RSACS
Sep 29 16:06:25 <DrBob>    Rocky: Yes?
Sep 29 16:06:28 <Rocky>    don't work
Sep 29 16:06:31 <Skizzerz>    :)
Sep 29 16:06:32 <DrBob>    ^o)
Sep 29 16:06:39 <Rocky>    RSACV
Sep 29 16:06:56 <Rocky>    RSACL
Sep 29 16:07:01 *    Skizzerz isn't familiar w/ those acronyms
Sep 29 16:07:14 <Rocky>    me neither
Sep 29 16:07:19 <Rocky>    look on template:infobox
Sep 29 16:07:25 <DrBob>    They're not templates
Sep 29 16:07:34 <Rocky>    exactly
Sep 29 16:07:35 <DrBob>    They're parameters which include {{RSAC}}
Sep 29 16:07:48 <DrBob>    *which cause {{RSAC}} to be included
Sep 29 16:07:49 <Rocky>    oh
Sep 29 16:08:09 <Rocky>    {{rasc}} doesn't exist tho
Sep 29 16:08:18 <DrBob>    In capital letters
Sep 29 16:08:27 <Rocky>    yes...
Sep 29 16:08:29 <Rocky>    try it
Sep 29 16:08:36 <DrBob>    I did, and it exists
Sep 29 16:08:44 <DrBob>    http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Template:RSAC
Sep 29 16:09:18 <Rocky>    oh
Sep 29 16:09:24 <Rocky>    didn't work b4
Sep 29 16:09:28 <DrBob>    ...
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Sep 29 16:09:34 <DrBob>    It hasn't changed for months
Sep 29 16:09:38 <DrBob>    Are you "quite" back, Prod? XD
Sep 29 16:09:45 <Prod>    who did that to me >_>
Sep 29 16:09:54 <Prod>    did anyone fall for it?
Sep 29 16:10:02 <DrBob>    Charitwo
Sep 29 16:10:09 <Prod>    :P
Sep 29 16:10:10 <Rocky>    fall for what?
Sep 29 16:10:36 <Notmyhandle>    typing /quite username
Sep 29 16:10:38 <DrBob>    Oh, and some guy named "Prod" fell for it, too. What a cockmunch. :P
Sep 29 16:10:51 <Notmyhandle>    That's going in the minutes
Sep 29 16:11:00 <DrBob>    The meeting was over ages ago
Sep 29 16:11:04 <Rocky>    isn't it slash kill
Sep 29 16:11:05 <Notmyhandle>    Nope
Sep 29 16:11:13 <DrBob>    Yup
Sep 29 16:11:33 <DrBob>    Well, Procyon's keeping the minutes, and he's buggered off, so I can say what the heck I like :P
Sep 29 16:11:39 <Prod>    /kill Prod
Sep 29 16:11:41 <Prod>    didn't work
Sep 29 16:11:47 <Rocky>    u need a reason
Sep 29 16:11:56 <Prod>    /kill Rocky he's a n00b
Sep 29 16:11:57 <Skizzerz>    you need to be an IRCop, and it's /operserv kill
Sep 29 16:12:09 <Rocky>    :(
Sep 29 16:12:25 <Skizzerz>    you can use /kick to make people leave the current channel though
Sep 29 16:12:25 <Rocky>    I JUST GET BASHED A LOT, OK
Sep 29 16:12:39 <Skizzerz>    do you get bash.org'ed a lot, though?
Sep 29 16:12:41 <DrBob>    Only if you're op
Sep 29 16:12:46 <Rocky>    I'M NOT OP
Sep 29 16:12:46 <Skizzerz>    or halfop
Sep 29 16:12:53 <Rocky>    NOT EVEN THAT
Sep 29 16:12:57 <Rocky>    I'M A NOOB
Sep 29 16:12:58 <DrBob>    Only Prod has The Power in here
Sep 29 16:13:03 <Prod>    (Rocky): we're just poking fun :)
Sep 29 16:13:03 <Skizzerz>    Prod: mes0rz pl0x?
Sep 29 16:13:06 <Prod>    though I tend to Prod
Sep 29 16:13:14 <Prod>    (Skizzerz): come to scania :P
Sep 29 16:13:19 <Skizzerz>    :(
Sep 29 16:13:24 <DrBob>    dy by dx = Prod
Sep 29 16:13:28 <Skizzerz>    I'm on bera though :(
Sep 29 16:14:21 <DrBob>    Anyway, I'm off guys
Sep 29 16:14:28 <DrBob>    Bye
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Sep 29 16:15:29 <Rocky>    btw i was jk
Sep 29 16:16:46 <Rocky>    cya
Sep 29 16:16:51 <Notmyhandle>    ='(
Sep 29 16:16:55 <Rocky>    kk
Sep 29 16:16:59 <Rocky>    fine i'll stay
Sep 29 16:17:15 <Rocky>    i can hold back pwnig n00bs
Sep 29 16:18:52 <Rocky>    put {{subst:User:Ryan Schmidt/GetSkin|AutumnLeaf}}  into ur js
Sep 29 16:18:57 <Notmyhandle>    yeah i got it
Sep 29 16:19:08 *    Skizzerz is revising that to only need css isntead of js
Sep 29 16:19:19 <Notmyhandle>    u only need js
Sep 29 16:19:32 <Skizzerz>    css instead of js
Sep 29 16:19:32 <Notmyhandle>    right now
Sep 29 16:19:35 <Notmyhandle>    why
Sep 29 16:19:39 <Skizzerz>    because it's faster
Sep 29 16:19:54 <Notmyhandle>    does it harm the server
Sep 29 16:19:55 <Notmyhandle>    ?
Sep 29 16:20:06 <Notmyhandle>    take more processing time?
Sep 29 16:20:25 <Skizzerz>    takes more time for the browser to load it
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Sep 29 16:24:13 <Rocky>    *cya all
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